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and good afternoon from Philadelphia

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Frank here with another episode of UFO

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news network Sunday and let's get right

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to it there we've got a big show today

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so let me introduce my co-host a chant

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Hannah to introduce the participants a

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chant I want you today I'm doing really

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well Frank how are you great great ready

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to go okay so we have a really wonderful

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show today I've been looking forward to

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this show actually since last year we

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have some guests that are good friends

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of ours and we have a deep respect for

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them and we're very thrilled to have

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them on the show we have Michael W Hall

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spyro's melora's and Philip mantel to

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review and debate the Bigelow memo and

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the alien autopsy film topic and Michael

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Hall also known as a paranormal lawyer

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with the UFO community for over four

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decades now is based out of Washington

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State he's also the director of UFO I

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team Michael is a former Thurston County

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Superior Court Judge Pro Tem certified

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mediator the founding partner of the

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hollow law firm and a member of a pro

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since the 70s Spira small heiress is a

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film and a TV director and producer

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inventor special effects and conceptual

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artist and magician he also owns the

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alien autopsy film group and that group

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is located on Facebook so you just go to

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facebook-dot-com groups alien autopsy

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you'll find it just type in the keywords

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and he also is the owner creator and

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director of the alien autopsy film we

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have Phillip mantel who is a

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long-standing UFO researcher and author

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from the UK he was formerly the director

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of investigations for the British UFO

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research and Association and the MUFON

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representative for England he is the

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founder of flying disc press and he can

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be contacted at flying disc press dot

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blogspot Co UK and then he also wrote a

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book on the alien autopsy film which I

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believe he did update and we'll be

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asking him about that

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update situation regarding his book in a

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few moments and that book can be found

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is will include will include the link to

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his book in the summary beneath the show

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now last year the alien autopsy proof as

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it was called email communication was

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uploaded on reddit and dropped like a

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grenade on June 3rd along with the

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Wilson Davis duck as it's known or

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leaked which dropped on reddit also on

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April 19th of 2019 the Bigelow memo as

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its colloquy anecdotally called now it's

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memorandum that was to Bob Bigelow

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allegedly everything I say here is all

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allegedly under that that category of

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alleged - Bob Bigelow from Eric Davis

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of o1 real important that people

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understand that this is allegedly a

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revision of an original memo and then it

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goes on to say kick greens professional

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evaluation of the alien autopsy from the

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Roswell incident it says in parentheses

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there some video and other related

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information now we're gonna go ahead and

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just read a little bit of the Bigelow

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memo memorandum right here this alleged

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memorandum that starts out saying this

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Bob and calm I have learned from recent

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discussions with hell that he shared

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with KITT the contents of my memo from

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220 301 to you and together they poured

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over the points that I summarized

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regarding Kitts evaluation of the

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has official briefings info on same kit

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then realized that he answered in haste

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mine & Colmes

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email questions because he was rushed

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for time during our correspondences kid

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is taking responsibility for use using

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in price imprecise language and are not

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providing us with the complete or

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accurate details of his briefings

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information so he and/or Hal asked that

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a correct memo to 2301 by inserting some

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additional info

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information and make minor modifications

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to the text there will be no changes to

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the appendix in parentheses it says

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emails number one through four and the

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parentheses newly added text in memo two

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mark and modified text will be in bold

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and italicized then it goes on to say

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since spring of 1999 me Colm and he'll

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have undertaken a series of back and

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regarding the Roswell incident aliens

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program the Santilli alien autopsy film

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slash video etc the some of the data kit

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conversations has now reached a critical

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level where we can summarize the

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following facts it goes on with the sort

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of bullet point here that says kit was

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briefed three different times during and

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after his tenure at CIA on topics

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bullet point it says briefing number one

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briefed on evidence that something UFOs

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was flying around this evidence was in

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the form of collected intelligence data

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of alien crash retrieval Hardware or

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bodies in this venue and of parentheses

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back would last fall it was ascertained

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standard of being an actual official

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briefing parentheses he signed the

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papers and received the code words and

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parentheses as this was a phrase kit had

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answered satisfied Hal and Westwood that

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the briefing was official just a few

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more things I want to mention to our

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listeners here and then I'm going to be

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asking all of our guests a few questions

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on what I just read briefing number two

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uniform this person showed kit the alien

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autopsy photos and reports

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etc the photos of the alien cadaver kit

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material provided to him at this

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particular briefing next point here

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CIA people wanted his medical / forensic

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pathology expertise to examine and

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analyze some autopsy reports the nature

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of these reports was left ambiguous

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during the briefing but kit was fully

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expected but kit was fully expecting

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them to be the alien autopsy reports he

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no action took place after this briefing

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occurred and kit was left hanging

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can see they got right into the alien

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autopsy topic right away how Michael I

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want to know what are your thoughts on

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this then I'm gonna be asking spizz I'm

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sorry Spyros and Spiros and Phil what

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their thoughts are on this topic right

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Jan thank you Frank and chant for this

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opportunity literally to appear today on

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this historic show I believe with two of

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the most iconic individuals in the field

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of paranormal and do you have fathered

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you apology I'm a my gosh

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thank you very much guys for allowing me

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beyond with you and a munch over some of

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the detail this year I think the very

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best thing that will come out of our

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conversations today is getting more and

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more awareness to this whole idea

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whether it's pro or con we need to at

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least get the things settled one way or

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another or keep the conversation going

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whatever happens my first comment on the

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initial part of the Robert Bigelow memo

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is very fascinating when you're talking

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high-level government scientists like

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high-level government scientist

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it green and the details that he knows

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about what dr. Greene told him it's very

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telling when I think I'll just kind of

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throw the first gauntlet down here when

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they mention a list of the items they

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were brought up to speed on on this

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email thread and information these were

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supposedly kid green conversations

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regarding the Roswell incident the

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bodies the crash retrieval program that

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was going on supposedly and the Ray

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need to keep in mind that we're probably

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dealing with multiple issues here not

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necessary that everything is thrown

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mentioned at least the first three the

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the incident the bodies and the crash

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retrieval program are the same issues

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that are mentioned in the Admiral Wilson

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memo supposedly of the century that

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Richard Cole is is monitored so anyway

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just kind of that's the way I see it

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conversations this morning fabulous

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input and Spiros I'd like to ask you

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times this Bigelow memo is it's

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anecdotally called what were your

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thought that's that went through your

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mind several copies of the email list

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you know the day before it appeared

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already from from different people and I

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think it took everybody by surprise

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including myself you know Michael Spiros

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Ray Santilli at out but but on the first

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you just read out what what I think he's

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curious and he's missing is what

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instigated we'll assume you know this is

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discussion on whether the documents real

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later but I see no indication here that

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what what started this you know this is

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what were you know we 2000 2001 they

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talking and but why why you know this is

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five or six years after their film has

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been released and seen around the world

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what instigated this investigation if

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you like by kick green and these

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colleagues and and report back to their

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that their boss mr. Bigelow cats you

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know that's always bullying me well now

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well mentioned in the the dark itself

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that putt-off and green were having a

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conversation that the put off became

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aware of this incident from greens

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perspective and must have passed it

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along to Davis who then wanted to get a

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report into Bigelow I followed up one to

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get a report in the big Olaf that's the

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way it seems to me from from yeah it

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could well be you know and also puzzled

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me why it would get beat again copy and

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then transfer DHS in the profession

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television I have a copy of that very

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saying be to come tape here I don't know

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why you'd think downgrading you know I

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don't know just I think you took

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everybody by surprise charge it really

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did and you know interesting to hear

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what what what sauce made of it well and

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I'm gonna ask spear us but there's one

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paragraph that I forgot to read so I'm

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gonna read it now and it actually has to

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do with you Phil

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it's a bill Garrity bill McGarry and

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later colm contacted Phil mantel and

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arranged for Santilli to guess it's a

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first generation beta cam video and

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pieces of the alien autopsy film this

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was a result of the meeting and

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conversations that took place with you

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me Colm and Bill McGarity when bill came

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to visit us in 2000 June 2000 Kol whom

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then had VH s format copies made of the

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beta cam and I sent a copy to kit for

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his professional evaluation what's your

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thought on that recognize the name of

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Bill McGarrity I do i do recollect that

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yeah I need to have some email exchanges

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with comm Kelleher at the time I think

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he was one of the main guys up front

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when when the National Institute of

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Discovery Sciences was was in operation

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but you know I I did like it did with

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many others challenge and it was people

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were wanting things from Santilli all I

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did was pass on his his contact

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information you know that will have been

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his email addresses and all his

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telephone so I just acted as a

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facilitator now and that was it what

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surprised me they did yeah you know what

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BT can't copy and some bits of film

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instead of returning back to recently

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ended up here with me and I I still have

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the the package here think I sent you a

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copy at one time yes jammed it still has

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the addresses on it I think so yeah so

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I don't mean to interrupt but I think it

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may have mentioned Bill McGarrett YZ

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name on a green poster yeah that came

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back with it but like I said I didn't

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recognize Bill McGarrity planes at all

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you know I don't recollect him being in

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contact with me I'm not saying it wasn't

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I just don't remember I mean

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tens of thousands of emails it was just

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one of them but I do remember cold

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Geller for whatever reason great all

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right Spiros everybody's dying to find

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out your input on the little bit I read

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right there okay and you know what I

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started to say to myself what do I agree

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with okay class that's not the thing

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that I would normally do I would

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disagree with everything right but I I

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thought let's just see how much of this

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I actually agree with right and I went

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to page 10 after after reading the whole

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thing page 10

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is March 23rd 2001 just you've got that

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sheet in front of you for those who

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don't have it it says on put number two

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it says the body is not human I agree

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with that

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it definitely is not okay let's go point

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number three right it says it's a nun

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standard procedure I agree with that too

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right I can't disagree with that for

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number four it says it wasn't a forensic

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examination I agree with that it wasn't

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the forensic examination and it also

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says it had many mistakes and I agree

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with that too right right number five

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right what's it say number five I can't

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wait what was it

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I've got a concrete my own handwriting

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let me just actually memo and I'll fire

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because I can't read my own handwriting

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right here we go

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where is it page 10 maybe huh okay

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number five the body was burned

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that is charring not decomposition I

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agree with that too it was burnt I did

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it with a Bunsen burner okay so I got

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right let's go into the number six right

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number six it says brain liquid

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liquification had started but the brain

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was at but normal in terms of human and

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Anatomy that means nothing right it's a

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jelly

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there's no liquification how can you

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tell on that film there's any liquid

371
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there isn't it you look at the film and

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you see the brain is solid so that's one

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but I do agree isn't a human brain

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absolutely right number seven right the

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body looked pretty faked I don't know if

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anybody understands what that means

377
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right the body looked pretty faked so as

378
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far as I can I'm concern I agree with

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the whole thing right let's go on to the

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next bit here it says whoa sorry I'm

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just going to look to the thing again

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all right so the final thing it says yes

383
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I have read actual autopsy reports okay

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so he's read autopsy reports I can't

385
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argue with that because it doesn't say

386
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anything about an alien autopsy just

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says an autopsy report then it said I

388
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thought I had discussed with you and

389
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Jackson Santiago in forma 1988 the

390
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problem is they were real autopsy

391
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reports I argue with that but could not

392
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be authenticated because the prosecutors

393
00:20:09,659 --> 00:20:06,429
names had been removed so I had no one

394
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to call so they were real reports or

395
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felt as if they were unlike the stuff

396
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just mentioned above what is say is he

397
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read the autopsy report that's what is

398
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the saying and I think I agree with that

399
00:20:27,230 --> 00:20:25,149
too that maybe he did right he must've

400
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read and wrote sort of the report so

401
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from that that whole thing there right

402
00:20:35,190 --> 00:20:34,510
all it's doing is confirming this is not

403
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real

404
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for me it's telling me it's not a human

405
00:20:41,789 --> 00:20:39,909
body it's not a standard autopsy it's

406
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not forensic examination there's lots of

407
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mistakes right the body was burnt it's

408
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not decomposing he's telling us the

409
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brain is not a human brain

410
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he's telling us pretty much this is a

411
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fake film that's what he's saying and

412
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I've done if I'm the only one that can

413
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see that um yeah we can also hear

414
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because I've got that particular page up

415
00:21:02,390 --> 00:21:00,510
right now yeah okay and I'm sorry to

416
00:21:04,340 --> 00:21:02,400
interject could you just please state

417
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what page number you were laughter

418
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listeners now number 10 okay got it yes

419
00:21:14,150 --> 00:21:11,310
just live with that for a minute but

420
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:14,160
like Michael I would like to lay the

421
00:21:20,810 --> 00:21:17,490
gauntlet down and just make a a very

422
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:20,820
very plain and and logical statement

423
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okay and I'd like you to disprove what

424
00:21:32,590 --> 00:21:28,950
I'm going to say no we're in the history

425
00:21:40,030 --> 00:21:32,600
of mankind has the alien autopsy

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00:21:42,860 --> 00:21:40,040
material been seen anywhere before 1995

427
00:21:46,190 --> 00:21:42,870
this whole episode we're reading now the

428
00:21:49,550 --> 00:21:46,200
kicker in papers and blah blah blah only

429
00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:49,560
came out after I made the film that is

430
00:21:58,450 --> 00:21:53,280
my that is my standpoint if this is true

431
00:22:01,760 --> 00:21:58,460
and kit Green had seen it prior to 1995

432
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:01,770
no one ever heard of it before then is

433
00:22:08,930 --> 00:22:06,690
that true what I'm asking everyone is

434
00:22:10,250 --> 00:22:08,940
that true well yes I mean there are

435
00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:10,260
those of course that came forward

436
00:22:18,980 --> 00:22:14,400
afterwards did anyone come forward

437
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:18,990
before no no one came forward before the

438
00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:24,090
only thing that I can outline is is

439
00:22:30,500 --> 00:22:28,320
Michael Maloney now Michael was you know

440
00:22:34,970 --> 00:22:30,510
there the head photographer at Mara

441
00:22:37,130 --> 00:22:34,980
Group Newspapers it was a well-known had

442
00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:37,140
very high ranking an award-winning press

443
00:22:45,860 --> 00:22:43,440
photographer you know so you know I've

444
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:45,870
met Michael it's yeah just finish I met

445
00:22:51,650 --> 00:22:47,810
Michael and spoke to him several times

446
00:22:55,580 --> 00:22:51,660
he the only thing I can say is that he

447
00:22:58,220 --> 00:22:55,590
did make a note of it in his dark area

448
00:23:00,860 --> 00:22:58,230
at the time didn't speak out and he

449
00:23:01,230 --> 00:23:00,870
showed me the diary you know but you

450
00:23:03,870 --> 00:23:01,240
know

451
00:23:06,420 --> 00:23:03,880
we have again it didn't even come out of

452
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:06,430
the woodwork until afterwards so that's

453
00:23:12,570 --> 00:23:09,010
the only thing and again Michaels didn't

454
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:12,580
say that the film he saw was exactly the

455
00:23:19,860 --> 00:23:16,330
same as the the alien autopsy on love

456
00:23:22,380 --> 00:23:19,870
and know that it was similar not the

457
00:23:24,420 --> 00:23:22,390
same he did say it was very similar on

458
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when he saw it on the television it was

459
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that that reminded him that the film he

460
00:23:32,360 --> 00:23:29,380
supposedly saw at Disney some years

461
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:32,370
beforehand and that's that's the only

462
00:23:39,930 --> 00:23:35,410
thing I could say but nobody else went

463
00:23:41,580 --> 00:23:39,940
on the record at all no filler just to

464
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:41,590
jump in here real quick you say he saw

465
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this at Disney can he go into a little

466
00:23:48,450 --> 00:23:46,180
bit more detail about that yeah Michael

467
00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:48,460
Maloney was they had photographer at

468
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mera Group Newspapers

469
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and he was sent on assignment to Disney

470
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not Florida the other side in California

471
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there were launching a couple of new

472
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movies and he was sent you know to cover

473
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this follow the newspaper he got

474
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chatting at the time with one of the

475
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Disney animators I believe he's the most

476
00:24:18,510 --> 00:24:14,950
famous of them you talk about Ward

477
00:24:21,930 --> 00:24:18,520
Kimball here yes indeed okay and the

478
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:21,940
other interests they have this is how we

479
00:24:28,050 --> 00:24:25,330
got chatting what Kimball was steam

480
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engines steam trains and apparently Ward

481
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Kimball said well I've got a steam train

482
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and he had full sides were on his land

483
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I don't mean a railway I mean a

484
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full-size one and because of his

485
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profession as a photographer he said he

486
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was invited to a private screening off

487
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the lot so I'm not on Disney premises

488
00:24:54,030 --> 00:24:51,730
but off the lot and was shown UFO films

489
00:24:56,850 --> 00:24:54,040
flying saucers whatever these were the

490
00:24:59,640 --> 00:24:56,860
supposedly the real McCoy not anything

491
00:25:02,820 --> 00:24:59,650
that Disney had made and as part of

492
00:25:04,590 --> 00:25:02,830
these films was an and I would call it

493
00:25:08,490 --> 00:25:04,600
an alien autopsy bit something very

494
00:25:11,550 --> 00:25:08,500
similar to what we'll see on the alien

495
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:11,560
autopsy film and that's that's what he

496
00:25:14,029 --> 00:25:13,330
said he told it's old a colleague of

497
00:25:18,510 --> 00:25:14,039
mine

498
00:25:20,159 --> 00:25:18,520
before this but only again after the

499
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:20,169
alien autopsy film was shown on

500
00:25:25,460 --> 00:25:22,450
television so it was that that reminded

501
00:25:28,230 --> 00:25:25,470
him and Michaels story has changed

502
00:25:31,820 --> 00:25:28,240
slightly with a few retellings of it but

503
00:25:34,519 --> 00:25:31,830
that's faster but the basics of it and

504
00:25:38,519 --> 00:25:34,529
making it what you will I mean you know

505
00:25:39,870 --> 00:25:38,529
well it's not unreasonable to suspect

506
00:25:42,510 --> 00:25:39,880
that there might be connection between

507
00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:42,520
the material that maloni saw and the

508
00:25:47,639 --> 00:25:45,760
material that green saw which couldn't

509
00:25:51,990 --> 00:25:47,649
possibly have been the Santilli yes

510
00:25:54,210 --> 00:25:52,000
Pierce Morris no lesson let's make

511
00:26:00,000 --> 00:25:54,220
something very very clear here it's not

512
00:26:05,070 --> 00:26:00,010
essentially strong no very very clear

513
00:26:08,130 --> 00:26:05,080
here the possibility of anyone else

514
00:26:11,159 --> 00:26:08,140
having seen an alien autopsy in inverted

515
00:26:13,919 --> 00:26:11,169
brackets is not in dispute because we

516
00:26:16,980 --> 00:26:13,929
don't know okay so there is it possible

517
00:26:20,340 --> 00:26:16,990
there might be in the real film

518
00:26:22,830 --> 00:26:20,350
I don't know but you know what if

519
00:26:23,610 --> 00:26:22,840
Maloney says he saw one I've got to say

520
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:23,620
fair enough

521
00:26:29,519 --> 00:26:26,890
I'd like to see it and until I see it I

522
00:26:31,799 --> 00:26:29,529
can't pass judgment from what I can say

523
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:31,809
unequivocally here I can tell you

524
00:26:35,669 --> 00:26:33,490
without a shadow of a doubt on

525
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:35,679
everything I hold dear is that he did

526
00:26:43,289 --> 00:26:38,970
not see my film and my film came

527
00:26:46,500 --> 00:26:43,299
entirely from my imagination so if he

528
00:26:50,669 --> 00:26:46,510
says it was similar I am the world's

529
00:26:53,519 --> 00:26:50,679
leading mine reader or what you're gonna

530
00:26:54,990 --> 00:26:53,529
call me well but because I must have

531
00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:55,000
tapped into something because it was

532
00:27:00,630 --> 00:26:57,970
totally from our imagination so this is

533
00:27:03,149 --> 00:27:00,640
my testimony I'm here and I'm giving

534
00:27:07,380 --> 00:27:03,159
testimony okay none of these other guys

535
00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:07,390
are here to be cross-examined okay and

536
00:27:11,419 --> 00:27:09,370
we've got to take what they say with a

537
00:27:15,060 --> 00:27:11,429
piece of salt because it's hearsay

538
00:27:18,120 --> 00:27:15,070
nothing that this this whole memo it

539
00:27:21,090 --> 00:27:18,130
talks about stuff which you know what

540
00:27:22,860 --> 00:27:21,100
what's missing here the lot of words

541
00:27:26,129 --> 00:27:22,870
they've written it's the words they

542
00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:26,139
haven't written okay for example on one

543
00:27:32,279 --> 00:27:28,480
section which is

544
00:27:35,940 --> 00:27:32,289
I'll just tell you what it is at Sur in

545
00:27:39,270 --> 00:27:35,950
January 2001 it starts okay it just goes

546
00:27:43,470 --> 00:27:39,280
on to say KITT said that the alien

547
00:27:49,980 --> 00:27:43,480
forensic tissues could hypothetically be

548
00:27:51,930 --> 00:27:49,990
located okay so he's guessing that you

549
00:27:55,140 --> 00:27:51,940
might be able to find some alien tissues

550
00:28:01,440 --> 00:27:55,150
in this particular place okay further on

551
00:28:06,060 --> 00:28:01,450
I mean above that it says that it says

552
00:28:10,740 --> 00:28:06,070
that the film what he saw is real right

553
00:28:14,909 --> 00:28:10,750
well isn't everything real a fake film

554
00:28:16,890 --> 00:28:14,919
is real it's a real fake film so it's

555
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:16,900
not telling us anything it's a what I

556
00:28:22,049 --> 00:28:19,330
saw is real right well is he a real

557
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:22,059
alien he's not saying that he's actually

558
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:24,250
not saying the words so the words are

559
00:28:32,100 --> 00:28:27,970
missing other problem right so cases

560
00:28:35,460 --> 00:28:32,110
it's an excerpt of a bigger document or

561
00:28:39,630 --> 00:28:35,470
if it's an excerpt of what actually

562
00:28:43,710 --> 00:28:39,640
happens what they are not saying is the

563
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:43,720
bit okay and just to be clear where he

564
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:46,090
rose was reading that that was on page

565
00:28:51,870 --> 00:28:49,330
nine where it says allegedly from KITT

566
00:28:54,299 --> 00:28:51,880
green - allegedly Erik Davis

567
00:28:56,370 --> 00:28:54,309
it says yep the videos realized stick by

568
00:28:58,110 --> 00:28:56,380
what I said after the first review okay

569
00:28:59,700 --> 00:28:58,120
Michael I wanted to bring you into the

570
00:29:01,560 --> 00:28:59,710
mix here and ask you a question I

571
00:29:04,049 --> 00:29:01,570
actually have two questions for you and

572
00:29:09,630 --> 00:29:04,059
the first question is do you believe

573
00:29:11,220 --> 00:29:09,640
that the top C film is real and my

574
00:29:13,230 --> 00:29:11,230
second quote and I don't mean like a

575
00:29:15,210 --> 00:29:13,240
real fake I you know I'm not using plan

576
00:29:17,100 --> 00:29:15,220
words I'm just asking you do you believe

577
00:29:18,390 --> 00:29:17,110
the alien autopsy film that we're

578
00:29:20,130 --> 00:29:18,400
discussing here is real and then the

579
00:29:21,870 --> 00:29:20,140
second question I have for you is did

580
00:29:24,060 --> 00:29:21,880
Ray Santilli ever get back with you all

581
00:29:26,370 --> 00:29:24,070
regarding the claims that he made during

582
00:29:27,810 --> 00:29:26,380
an interview that you had with him which

583
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:27,820
was the second interview that I know

584
00:29:32,730 --> 00:29:29,650
that he did because the first interview

585
00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:32,740
he did last year was with me and I have

586
00:29:37,500 --> 00:29:35,440
not published that interview yet but I

587
00:29:38,850 --> 00:29:37,510
wanted to know if Ray ever got back to

588
00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:38,860
you on the claims he made in that

589
00:29:41,570 --> 00:29:41,200
interview with you last year when you

590
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:41,580
enter

591
00:29:46,130 --> 00:29:44,610
you Tim with a few folks on your show so

592
00:29:50,450 --> 00:29:46,140
first question is do you believe the

593
00:29:52,850 --> 00:29:50,460
alien autopsy film is real you know I'm

594
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:52,860
gonna go along with spirits on this in

595
00:29:59,600 --> 00:29:55,770
that regard as far as the when we when

596
00:30:04,700 --> 00:29:59,610
we use the term alien autopsy film in

597
00:30:06,740 --> 00:30:04,710
this country that is Spiros as you know

598
00:30:08,690 --> 00:30:06,750
recreation that's what I'm claiming you

599
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:08,700
know basically talking about here and

600
00:30:12,650 --> 00:30:10,290
I'm gonna take his word for it of course

601
00:30:15,770 --> 00:30:12,660
that he put that thing together very

602
00:30:18,140 --> 00:30:15,780
expertly by the way Spiros has has not

603
00:30:19,700 --> 00:30:18,150
been ignited by an Academy Award but

604
00:30:23,060 --> 00:30:19,710
I'll tell you what he should be a

605
00:30:25,010 --> 00:30:23,070
nominated for an academy of paranormal

606
00:30:27,530 --> 00:30:25,020
Arts and Sciences award let's at least

607
00:30:30,860 --> 00:30:27,540
put it that way because it was quite a

608
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:30,870
production but in Murray yeah oh and he

609
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:34,290
I don't know the issue on these previous

610
00:30:39,620 --> 00:30:36,330
films that people have been bantering

611
00:30:42,350 --> 00:30:39,630
about for decades that were seen before

612
00:30:45,950 --> 00:30:42,360
it looks like we do have testimony from

613
00:30:47,690 --> 00:30:45,960
Phillip that there was a diary that was

614
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:47,700
actually recounting the fact that

615
00:30:55,940 --> 00:30:50,570
another autopsy film was viewed prior to

616
00:30:59,870 --> 00:30:55,950
1995 and even if for instance no one did

617
00:31:03,350 --> 00:30:59,880
come forth before 1995 to talk about the

618
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:03,360
alien autopsy film that they might have

619
00:31:07,780 --> 00:31:06,480
seen prior does not negate the fact that

620
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:07,790
it didn't exist

621
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:12,050
obviously Spiros is amazing production

622
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:16,410
started a worldwide buzz literally that

623
00:31:20,780 --> 00:31:18,210
people could not believe and so people

624
00:31:22,700 --> 00:31:20,790
you can well imagine that it might have

625
00:31:24,650 --> 00:31:22,710
been involved in the background of this

626
00:31:27,020 --> 00:31:24,660
subject for decades prior to that are

627
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:27,030
coming out of the closet after this

628
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:29,250
thing is being produced so that's my

629
00:31:34,430 --> 00:31:31,890
long answer to your first question the

630
00:31:36,650 --> 00:31:34,440
second question is basically you know

631
00:31:40,100 --> 00:31:36,660
the the interview that Grant Cameron and

632
00:31:42,410 --> 00:31:40,110
I did with you know race and hilly he

633
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:42,420
did talk about certain issues that he

634
00:31:48,860 --> 00:31:45,570
said he had snippets of the real

635
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:48,870
original film that he would be willing

636
00:31:55,190 --> 00:31:51,330
to share with us and know he has not

637
00:31:57,980 --> 00:31:55,200
done that yet at this point so one of my

638
00:32:00,620 --> 00:31:57,990
major questions today I would love to

639
00:32:03,769 --> 00:32:00,630
ask Spiros if he's willing to answer is

640
00:32:06,259 --> 00:32:03,779
how much of that original footage or

641
00:32:09,379 --> 00:32:06,269
original footage did he received when he

642
00:32:12,379 --> 00:32:09,389
made his recreation of his masterpiece

643
00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:12,389
so we can get an idea of you know what

644
00:32:16,210 --> 00:32:14,159
we're dealing with is these these are

645
00:32:21,620 --> 00:32:16,220
just a few frames or is this like

646
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:21,630
sections of reels that he got okay back

647
00:32:27,230 --> 00:32:24,210
to the back to the question of the words

648
00:32:31,639 --> 00:32:27,240
we don't use and the words we do use

649
00:32:34,789 --> 00:32:31,649
okay there was real film it was not of

650
00:32:38,299 --> 00:32:34,799
an alien autopsy okay it must be very

651
00:32:41,570 --> 00:32:38,309
very clear here we had real film from

652
00:32:46,490 --> 00:32:41,580
path a news with President Truman on it

653
00:32:49,310 --> 00:32:46,500
no alien okay we had real 1947 film of a

654
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:49,320
baseball game from the Roswell college

655
00:32:56,899 --> 00:32:54,960
game no alien okay this this is not this

656
00:33:00,169 --> 00:32:56,909
is not even up for debate I've never

657
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:00,179
seen any real film with a real alien on

658
00:33:06,769 --> 00:33:03,570
it ever not from Santilli not from

659
00:33:10,669 --> 00:33:06,779
anyone else ever right and I can also

660
00:33:13,970 --> 00:33:10,679
tell you categorically I can tell you

661
00:33:17,810 --> 00:33:13,980
that a lot of the stuff that we've we've

662
00:33:20,690 --> 00:33:17,820
read here about the alien that was

663
00:33:25,100 --> 00:33:20,700
supposedly on the film that kit has

664
00:33:28,820 --> 00:33:25,110
examined for example it talks about a

665
00:33:31,789 --> 00:33:28,830
three chambered heart it talks about the

666
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:31,799
brain it talks about one lung it talks

667
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:35,130
about no anus okay none of these things

668
00:33:42,139 --> 00:33:39,600
are visible in our film okay so it's not

669
00:33:44,060 --> 00:33:42,149
our film they're looking at so if

670
00:33:46,340 --> 00:33:44,070
they're looking at some other film then

671
00:33:51,769 --> 00:33:46,350
the description of that creature doesn't

672
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:51,779
actually fit our creature so you know I

673
00:33:57,019 --> 00:33:54,090
would love to be one of the few people

674
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:57,029
in the world who have seen an alien and

675
00:34:01,159 --> 00:33:59,039
prove it I would love to be that person

676
00:34:03,019 --> 00:34:01,169
it's much better than the person I am

677
00:34:08,110 --> 00:34:03,029
today which is a guy that fake the film

678
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:11,680
a lot more you know if I was that person

679
00:34:17,020 --> 00:34:14,210
but I've got to tell you there was no

680
00:34:19,420 --> 00:34:17,030
real film so and I've said it again and

681
00:34:22,540 --> 00:34:19,430
again and again the only person who has

682
00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:22,550
said there is real film is Ray Santilli

683
00:34:28,900 --> 00:34:25,280
and those who are being paid by him in

684
00:34:32,500 --> 00:34:28,910
his little circle however let's let's

685
00:34:36,190 --> 00:34:32,510
focus on one little thing okay on the on

686
00:34:39,220 --> 00:34:36,200
the memo it says that we contacted Ray

687
00:34:42,670 --> 00:34:39,230
Santilli who can ascend as a Betamax of

688
00:34:45,790 --> 00:34:42,680
a pizzeria bita SP of the alien autopsy

689
00:34:50,590 --> 00:34:45,800
and some real film ok

690
00:34:53,410 --> 00:34:50,600
they'd be talking about this since 1995

691
00:34:55,390 --> 00:34:53,420
by the way you you spoke about it I

692
00:34:59,760 --> 00:34:55,400
think about 10 months ago with on your

693
00:35:04,270 --> 00:34:59,770
interview he still has delivered a

694
00:35:05,980 --> 00:35:04,280
little stick 20 odd years so I'm not

695
00:35:07,990 --> 00:35:05,990
sure what to make of that he did promise

696
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:08,000
you ten months ago absolutely that he

697
00:35:12,070 --> 00:35:09,890
will deliver that it wasn't a problem it

698
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:12,080
wasn't I don't have any it wasn't it's

699
00:35:15,130 --> 00:35:14,240
damaged beyond repair and can't find any

700
00:35:17,500 --> 00:35:15,140
and it was

701
00:35:20,260 --> 00:35:17,510
yeah no problem I'll send you some over

702
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:20,270
okay so we've got to listen to that

703
00:35:26,410 --> 00:35:22,610
because we've got to pay attention to

704
00:35:28,930 --> 00:35:26,420
that even on this memo it says that he

705
00:35:31,930 --> 00:35:28,940
was going to supply some film okay I

706
00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:31,940
don't know if he ever did but I can tell

707
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:34,880
you understand I don't know what he gave

708
00:35:38,860 --> 00:35:36,050
you but I can tell you it wasn't

709
00:35:41,620 --> 00:35:38,870
anything with alien I know that for a

710
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:41,630
fact and I'm the same Spiros I mean I

711
00:35:47,350 --> 00:35:44,170
spent many times in Santa Lee's office

712
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:47,360
you know trying to get film out of him

713
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:49,490
one of the things he talks about is

714
00:35:52,590 --> 00:35:52,010
Kodak very finding of course they never

715
00:35:56,590 --> 00:35:52,600
did

716
00:35:58,390 --> 00:35:56,600
now Kodak UK was in Hemel Hempstead not

717
00:36:05,350 --> 00:35:58,400
that far from where essentially actually

718
00:36:07,630 --> 00:36:05,360
lived and I spoke them myself and they

719
00:36:10,990 --> 00:36:07,640
wouldn't comment what was depicted on

720
00:36:13,730 --> 00:36:11,000
the film but had Santa Lee wanted you

721
00:36:17,810 --> 00:36:13,740
they would have been more than willing

722
00:36:20,300 --> 00:36:17,820
to oblige and analyze a piece of film in

723
00:36:22,820 --> 00:36:20,310
fact Kodak had analyzed the number of

724
00:36:25,220 --> 00:36:22,830
alleged UFO photographs for us

725
00:36:26,990 --> 00:36:25,230
previously again they wouldn't comment

726
00:36:29,540 --> 00:36:27,000
on what was done it they would talk

727
00:36:32,030 --> 00:36:29,550
about what was what it wasn't and not

728
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:32,040
only that they said what we could do and

729
00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:34,800
there is and they could bring in the

730
00:36:42,130 --> 00:36:38,250
British film institution which also

731
00:36:46,010 --> 00:36:42,140
specializes in the restoration and

732
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:46,020
storing old film and they have experts

733
00:36:51,829 --> 00:36:48,000
in that and all that was free of charge

734
00:36:53,839 --> 00:36:51,839
of course now what would you realize is

735
00:36:56,839 --> 00:36:53,849
right from the very beginning is that

736
00:37:00,200 --> 00:36:56,849
it's a race and silly his motivations

737
00:37:01,790 --> 00:37:00,210
were to commercialize the product you

738
00:37:03,950 --> 00:37:01,800
made not secretive that I'm not saying

739
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:03,960
anything that he hasn't said a thousand

740
00:37:11,599 --> 00:37:06,930
times himself so it would only make

741
00:37:14,210 --> 00:37:11,609
sense to have the film correctly

742
00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:14,220
analyzed by an independent body like

743
00:37:23,240 --> 00:37:18,960
Kodak and the therefore the the valley

744
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:23,250
one would automatically increase so if

745
00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:24,570
you had a painting on the back of your

746
00:37:29,420 --> 00:37:26,730
bedroom door Speer also he thought was

747
00:37:30,980 --> 00:37:29,430
you know an old master just leave me

748
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:30,990
hanging there and up some college kid

749
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:32,490
told me what what he thought about it

750
00:37:36,740 --> 00:37:34,650
you will check it to the experts and say

751
00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:36,750
look I think this is a lot of DaVinci

752
00:37:41,780 --> 00:37:39,599
because there was one sold last year for

753
00:37:43,730 --> 00:37:41,790
a seventy million dollars and I think

754
00:37:46,430 --> 00:37:43,740
I've got another here he would have it

755
00:37:49,220 --> 00:37:46,440
checked you have it tested you know but

756
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:49,230
he failed every time you know whether it

757
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:52,650
was me Kodak here Kodak in the United

758
00:37:57,950 --> 00:37:55,410
States Italy offered to check it you

759
00:38:00,740 --> 00:37:57,960
know there was literally falling over

760
00:38:02,599 --> 00:38:00,750
themselves to analyze his piece of film

761
00:38:04,730 --> 00:38:02,609
and the fact that the fact that he

762
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:04,740
didn't give them any speaks volumes it

763
00:38:09,170 --> 00:38:07,530
doesn't exist should we just put this

764
00:38:11,810 --> 00:38:09,180
into perspective and just for those

765
00:38:13,339 --> 00:38:11,820
people that don't know about how a film

766
00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:13,349
is tested okay

767
00:38:22,250 --> 00:38:18,480
all they need is three frames okay in my

768
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:22,260
film impetus 24 frames a second okay

769
00:38:30,710 --> 00:38:27,599
so 24 frames a second so three frames

770
00:38:33,259 --> 00:38:30,720
is nothing and with those three frames

771
00:38:36,499 --> 00:38:33,269
they can tell you the following they can

772
00:38:39,769 --> 00:38:36,509
tell you the year that the film was

773
00:38:42,529 --> 00:38:39,779
manufactured they can tell you when the

774
00:38:44,299 --> 00:38:42,539
film was exposed or they're you know

775
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:44,309
within them within a couple of months

776
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:48,890
they can tell you when the film was

777
00:38:53,630 --> 00:38:51,930
processed right so you put the film in a

778
00:38:55,309 --> 00:38:53,640
camera you expose it okay so now it's

779
00:38:58,969 --> 00:38:55,319
got the images on it but you have to

780
00:39:04,160 --> 00:38:58,979
develop the film okay so let's suppose I

781
00:39:07,789 --> 00:39:04,170
managed to get 1947 film okay today and

782
00:39:11,089 --> 00:39:07,799
I shot the film today or in 1995 and

783
00:39:13,249 --> 00:39:11,099
then I had it developed in 1995 they

784
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:13,259
would be able to tell you just by doing

785
00:39:18,979 --> 00:39:16,650
three frames tests on three frames they

786
00:39:22,969 --> 00:39:18,989
will be able to tell you when the film

787
00:39:25,789 --> 00:39:22,979
was manufactured 1947 when it was

788
00:39:29,660 --> 00:39:25,799
exposed 1995 when it was developed in

789
00:39:32,569 --> 00:39:29,670
1995 so if it was a 1947 film exposed

790
00:39:34,969 --> 00:39:32,579
and developed in 1947 they can tell you

791
00:39:38,809 --> 00:39:34,979
that precision and with precision okay

792
00:39:40,789 --> 00:39:38,819
so three frames was a really really good

793
00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:40,799
deal for Santilli to have the most

794
00:39:46,579 --> 00:39:43,680
priceless piece of footage the world has

795
00:39:48,979 --> 00:39:46,589
ever seen that's what we're talking

796
00:39:55,989 --> 00:39:48,989
about here the most important piece of

797
00:40:01,219 --> 00:39:59,029
thank you my god because I tell you what

798
00:40:03,709 --> 00:40:01,229
this is very important I'm glad that you

799
00:40:07,069 --> 00:40:03,719
brought that up on all it takes is a

800
00:40:10,789 --> 00:40:07,079
small part of the film too often often

801
00:40:12,979 --> 00:40:10,799
to authenticate where it came from and

802
00:40:15,289 --> 00:40:12,989
when it was exposed but I want to make

803
00:40:17,989 --> 00:40:15,299
sure that we understand from what you've

804
00:40:23,709 --> 00:40:17,999
told us that your film the alien autopsy

805
00:40:28,089 --> 00:40:23,719
film that you did around 1995 was 100%

806
00:40:33,769 --> 00:40:28,099
made by you not incorporating any other

807
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:33,779
pet absolutely okay 100% great that

808
00:40:39,229 --> 00:40:36,690
gives us a standard to go by here as far

809
00:40:41,210 --> 00:40:39,239
as all of the images that are portrayed

810
00:40:43,010 --> 00:40:41,220
on the alien autopsy

811
00:40:44,780 --> 00:40:43,020
he filmed that everyone knows of right

812
00:40:46,670 --> 00:40:44,790
now it's very famous

813
00:40:50,900 --> 00:40:46,680
and still out there for people that

814
00:40:54,410 --> 00:40:50,910
check out was done by yourself image per

815
00:40:57,530 --> 00:40:54,420
for image millimeter by millimeter all

816
00:40:59,210 --> 00:40:57,540
done by you that's good to know yeah let

817
00:41:02,599 --> 00:40:59,220
me explain something else okay because

818
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:02,609
I'm in a very privileged position and if

819
00:41:07,220 --> 00:41:04,770
it's any filmmakers out there they can

820
00:41:09,380 --> 00:41:07,230
just listen they can they can come

821
00:41:12,170 --> 00:41:09,390
forward and tell me I'm wrong okay but I

822
00:41:15,980 --> 00:41:12,180
am an expert I do know my stuff okay and

823
00:41:22,070 --> 00:41:15,990
let me tell you it is almost impossible

824
00:41:25,099 --> 00:41:22,080
to marry up a film today of an existing

825
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:25,109
film okay that is a lot more difficult

826
00:41:29,839 --> 00:41:26,810
but to make the whole thing from scratch

827
00:41:32,990 --> 00:41:29,849
for me to marry up a film so that it

828
00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:33,000
match is frame by frame every item in

829
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:35,730
the room marries up and is exactly the

830
00:41:43,339 --> 00:41:38,160
same position and the camera movements

831
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:43,349
marry up okay so the only way that if I

832
00:41:50,540 --> 00:41:47,520
if I had used real film then there can

833
00:41:53,660 --> 00:41:50,550
be no resemblance or any relationship to

834
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:53,670
the stuff that I shot because there's no

835
00:41:58,250 --> 00:41:56,130
way you could control a handheld shot

836
00:42:01,250 --> 00:41:58,260
that's gonna be in exactly the right

837
00:42:03,020 --> 00:42:01,260
position in the air and fall around and

838
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:03,030
the movement and the shake of the hand

839
00:42:06,650 --> 00:42:04,800
and all the little details

840
00:42:09,050 --> 00:42:06,660
you just couldn't rehearse it forget

841
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:09,060
doing it you couldn't get up those

842
00:42:13,700 --> 00:42:11,040
sparrows let me clarify just what

843
00:42:16,339 --> 00:42:13,710
Santilli said during the grant Cameron

844
00:42:19,070 --> 00:42:16,349
interview that I helped to do as well at

845
00:42:20,900 --> 00:42:19,080
that point he was saying he told us and

846
00:42:23,060 --> 00:42:20,910
you probably heard it as well yeah that

847
00:42:26,329 --> 00:42:23,070
were there were snippets of real film

848
00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:26,339
that were incorporated into the faked

849
00:42:31,339 --> 00:42:29,730
alien autopsy film that you did and that

850
00:42:33,650 --> 00:42:31,349
those snippets would not necessarily

851
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:33,660
have to match up for instance he said

852
00:42:39,260 --> 00:42:36,000
that they probably won't some of them

853
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:39,270
were close-ups of the aliens face of the

854
00:42:44,900 --> 00:42:41,970
alien leg and those kinds of things

855
00:42:46,339 --> 00:42:44,910
which in reality even an expert could

856
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:46,349
tell you yeah we could do that and then

857
00:42:50,839 --> 00:42:48,240
we could like you know do this in post

858
00:42:53,329 --> 00:42:50,849
and you know on tape you no one would

859
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:53,339
ever know but what I want to reiterate

860
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:54,960
what you just said early

861
00:43:00,350 --> 00:42:57,930
is that all of that footage all of those

862
00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:00,360
images that you are saying on the alien

863
00:43:05,540 --> 00:43:02,730
autopsy film the Ukraine were done by

864
00:43:09,590 --> 00:43:05,550
you yes let me tell me something else

865
00:43:11,900 --> 00:43:09,600
something else if if what Santilli said

866
00:43:14,030 --> 00:43:11,910
was true okay now I'm gonna I'm gonna

867
00:43:17,300 --> 00:43:14,040
against I'm gonna make a statement okay

868
00:43:20,300 --> 00:43:17,310
I'm the only person who edited the

869
00:43:22,100 --> 00:43:20,310
footage together there is no one else on

870
00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:22,110
the planet that's gone near that footage

871
00:43:30,530 --> 00:43:26,720
now if somebody added genuine footage

872
00:43:33,890 --> 00:43:30,540
into my film it would have been me right

873
00:43:36,890 --> 00:43:33,900
and I'm telling you it's not an Santilli

874
00:43:39,460 --> 00:43:36,900
can't tell you which frames are not the

875
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:39,470
real ones oh sorry are all the real ones

876
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:42,450
if somebody inserted it it wouldn't be

877
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:44,400
me is somebody else because I have no

878
00:43:48,890 --> 00:43:45,930
knowledge of that and I can tell you I

879
00:43:51,140 --> 00:43:48,900
know every frame that we've put out so

880
00:43:51,470 --> 00:43:51,150
why does it Center the name who edited

881
00:43:54,140 --> 00:43:51,480
it

882
00:43:56,990 --> 00:43:54,150
why don't we speak to the person who

883
00:44:00,320 --> 00:43:57,000
supposedly put those clips in the second

884
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:00,330
thing I'd like to say is there are items

885
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:04,170
in the filming which are not real and I

886
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:05,760
can prove they're not real like for

887
00:44:13,730 --> 00:44:10,560
example the autopsy table or these suits

888
00:44:15,740 --> 00:44:13,740
of the surgeons are wearing so what we

889
00:44:17,690 --> 00:44:15,750
can do by process of elimination

890
00:44:20,300 --> 00:44:17,700
what we can do is we can go through the

891
00:44:22,430 --> 00:44:20,310
film and eliminate every piece of film

892
00:44:25,250 --> 00:44:22,440
that has the autopsy table in it and

893
00:44:29,150 --> 00:44:25,260
every piece of film that has these suits

894
00:44:32,690 --> 00:44:29,160
in it okay I did do that exercise and

895
00:44:35,930 --> 00:44:32,700
I've got and I put the film out on my on

896
00:44:37,850 --> 00:44:35,940
my alien autopsy fat files Facebook fat

897
00:44:40,250 --> 00:44:37,860
files and it's just a series of white

898
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:40,260
flashes there is no alien image on

899
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:41,850
anything that hasn't got a table or a

900
00:44:50,510 --> 00:44:47,090
suit in it there is there is no evidence

901
00:44:53,810 --> 00:44:50,520
from anyone there are genuine friends

902
00:44:56,990 --> 00:44:53,820
but if there are the easy answer is

903
00:44:59,960 --> 00:44:57,000
please show us them that's that's the

904
00:45:01,760 --> 00:44:59,970
easy answer if Santilli says there are

905
00:45:05,260 --> 00:45:01,770
real frames and he must know which

906
00:45:07,339 --> 00:45:05,270
frames has he ever said which frames

907
00:45:14,099 --> 00:45:07,349
no

908
00:45:15,659 --> 00:45:14,109
from the the memo the email man on but

909
00:45:21,779 --> 00:45:15,669
when we talk about the alien autopsy

910
00:45:23,669 --> 00:45:21,789
film well not totally well yeah we're

911
00:45:27,509 --> 00:45:23,679
actually talking about five separate

912
00:45:30,419 --> 00:45:27,519
films first off he's the so-called tenth

913
00:45:34,039 --> 00:45:30,429
footage yes that was the first film that

914
00:45:36,989 --> 00:45:34,049
he showed you Spiros that he showed me

915
00:45:40,679 --> 00:45:36,999
colleague angles the late Rhodes Presley

916
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:40,689
and others that was used as bait and he

917
00:45:44,339 --> 00:45:42,640
told that it was real right he told me

918
00:45:47,009 --> 00:45:44,349
it was real I've got a copy here that he

919
00:45:49,799 --> 00:45:47,019
gave me on VHS still sang here in my

920
00:45:51,899 --> 00:45:49,809
collection he told everyone when reg

921
00:45:54,539 --> 00:45:51,909
Presley first mentioned this alien

922
00:45:57,779 --> 00:45:54,549
autopsy film on television that was what

923
00:46:00,689 --> 00:45:57,789
he was talking about and of course that

924
00:46:04,189 --> 00:46:00,699
was made by Keith Bateman in Milton

925
00:46:07,380 --> 00:46:04,199
Keynes in a farm in Bedfordshire then

926
00:46:10,829 --> 00:46:07,390
okay well put that to one side when we

927
00:46:12,359 --> 00:46:10,839
talk about the better quality stuff you

928
00:46:15,019 --> 00:46:12,369
talk about the alien autopsies

929
00:46:18,479 --> 00:46:15,029
essentially now calls it a restoration

930
00:46:21,689 --> 00:46:18,489
or a recreation and restoration is

931
00:46:25,399 --> 00:46:21,699
adamant on that however if it gets to

932
00:46:28,949 --> 00:46:25,409
mention that there are two different

933
00:46:31,049 --> 00:46:28,959
alien autopsy films that is the one that

934
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:31,059
we've all seen on television and that is

935
00:46:37,349 --> 00:46:33,729
another that's in the same room same

936
00:46:40,589 --> 00:46:37,359
equipment same personnel you know but

937
00:46:45,989 --> 00:46:40,599
it's slightly longer shablow be the

938
00:46:47,519 --> 00:46:45,999
newer a different medical procedure the

939
00:46:51,209 --> 00:46:47,529
film is a lot brighter than the other

940
00:46:55,099 --> 00:46:51,219
one that's been seen by a handful of

941
00:46:58,469 --> 00:46:55,109
people almond myself my wife at the time

942
00:47:00,179 --> 00:46:58,479
maritza or by out here Colin Andrews

943
00:47:02,579 --> 00:47:00,189
later presently maybe one of the two

944
00:47:06,329 --> 00:47:02,589
mothers that has never appeared anywhere

945
00:47:08,249 --> 00:47:06,339
since then so and then of course we've

946
00:47:10,859 --> 00:47:08,259
got the debris film and in the camera

947
00:47:12,059 --> 00:47:10,869
man's interview we could talk all night

948
00:47:14,999 --> 00:47:12,069
about them but let's just stick with

949
00:47:17,069 --> 00:47:15,009
those two are toxins so let's let's say

950
00:47:18,410 --> 00:47:17,079
you know we were erring on the side of

951
00:47:20,569 --> 00:47:18,420
believing Mason

952
00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:20,579
just for the sake of argument we're

953
00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:23,760
talking about our restoration here then

954
00:47:29,180 --> 00:47:26,880
if you were restoring something why

955
00:47:34,069 --> 00:47:29,190
would you restore it and have two copies

956
00:47:36,530 --> 00:47:34,079
that are different if I employed someone

957
00:47:38,450 --> 00:47:36,540
I was the head of the Louvre in France

958
00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:38,460
and I employed them to restore the Mona

959
00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:42,240
Lisa why would he do - you know the

960
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:44,730
Zoning Board ELISA you know you wouldn't

961
00:47:49,039 --> 00:47:46,410
make a spare copy just in case you [\h__\h]

962
00:47:50,950 --> 00:47:49,049
up you know I wouldn't do it right I

963
00:47:53,240 --> 00:47:50,960
think that more than legal looks a bit

964
00:47:55,099 --> 00:47:53,250
miserable Jimmy I'll put that make it

965
00:47:58,609 --> 00:47:55,109
one with a bigger smile and a you know

966
00:48:01,880 --> 00:47:58,619
blond hair blows instead you know it's

967
00:48:04,900 --> 00:48:01,890
wiser why would we you know where does

968
00:48:08,930 --> 00:48:04,910
the legal that autopsy film disappeared

969
00:48:10,339 --> 00:48:08,940
what why we're not talking about one

970
00:48:21,349 --> 00:48:10,349
filming we're talking about five

971
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:21,359
different ones right okay let's not

972
00:48:28,910 --> 00:48:23,010
forget to bring Michael in the mix here

973
00:48:30,650 --> 00:48:28,920
because and you're absolutely right Phil

974
00:48:33,230 --> 00:48:30,660
thank you for for saying that because I

975
00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:33,240
agree with you wholeheartedly and and in

976
00:48:38,569 --> 00:48:36,089
spirits will answer that and attend to

977
00:48:40,250 --> 00:48:38,579
that topic but I do have a question I

978
00:48:42,020 --> 00:48:40,260
will be asking Michael and I'm gonna let

979
00:48:44,780 --> 00:48:42,030
him know it now ahead of time and that

980
00:48:48,490 --> 00:48:44,790
is I wanted to know from Michael after

981
00:48:51,410 --> 00:48:48,500
Spiros finishes on this topic whether

982
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:51,420
what kind of time frame he is going to

983
00:48:56,809 --> 00:48:53,970
get if Ray Santilli regarding the

984
00:49:01,130 --> 00:48:56,819
promises he made on that talk show he

985
00:49:03,770 --> 00:49:01,140
did last year okay go ahead Spiros okay

986
00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:03,780
with very very quickly I don't want to

987
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:05,609
go on like Phillip said we're digressing

988
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:10,010
but the the debris footage I have

989
00:49:15,620 --> 00:49:12,210
unequivocally shown that it's fake

990
00:49:17,569 --> 00:49:15,630
every part of it okay Spiro so when you

991
00:49:19,609 --> 00:49:17,579
say the debris foot injury you talking

992
00:49:22,370 --> 00:49:19,619
about like that the little of the hand

993
00:49:24,289 --> 00:49:22,380
imprints and the end and the i-beam

994
00:49:27,020 --> 00:49:24,299
would there the hieroglyphics are on it

995
00:49:29,839 --> 00:49:27,030
yeah okay all of that I've proven is

996
00:49:31,609 --> 00:49:29,849
fake I've made statements about it I've

997
00:49:32,300 --> 00:49:31,619
challenged people to tell me things

998
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:32,310
about

999
00:49:37,610 --> 00:49:35,280
the film before I reveal the questions I

1000
00:49:40,430 --> 00:49:37,620
asked because they for example what the

1001
00:49:42,830 --> 00:49:40,440
beams say the language being used the

1002
00:49:45,410 --> 00:49:42,840
the how the things were made all these

1003
00:49:47,420 --> 00:49:45,420
all these various things but all of that

1004
00:49:50,420 --> 00:49:47,430
we've shown and I've actually got uh

1005
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:50,430
Nate aged footage right I've got the

1006
00:49:55,070 --> 00:49:53,520
camera original footage before I aged it

1007
00:49:58,430 --> 00:49:55,080
and gave it to Santa lately

1008
00:50:01,240 --> 00:49:58,440
so the unaged footage shows you that

1009
00:50:04,580 --> 00:50:01,250
it's camera original new footage not old

1010
00:50:07,450 --> 00:50:04,590
1947 footage and it does raise a big

1011
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:07,460
question why would Santa lira lease a

1012
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:11,010
definite fake right with something that

1013
00:50:17,780 --> 00:50:15,090
he says is of a real thing

1014
00:50:20,810 --> 00:50:17,790
okay why would you taint why would you

1015
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:20,820
taint your good footage and use some

1016
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:23,370
fake footage with it why would you do

1017
00:50:28,010 --> 00:50:24,450
that you wouldn't do that

1018
00:50:32,210 --> 00:50:28,020
okay so so he has done that he did

1019
00:50:35,330 --> 00:50:32,220
present the tent footage as real okay to

1020
00:50:38,930 --> 00:50:35,340
me to fill it and I'm the one who told

1021
00:50:40,190 --> 00:50:38,940
him it wasn't real and that's why I then

1022
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:40,200
suggested well why don't we do this

1023
00:50:46,490 --> 00:50:41,850
properly but I wanted to do it in a

1024
00:50:50,660 --> 00:50:46,500
certain way so he did however go public

1025
00:50:54,230 --> 00:50:50,670
and say this is real okay so he's lied

1026
00:50:56,780 --> 00:50:54,240
that another piece of film was real when

1027
00:50:59,090 --> 00:50:56,790
it wasn't okay and he's done it again

1028
00:51:00,950 --> 00:50:59,100
but it's ambiguous now because he's

1029
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:00,960
saying there's real footage within the

1030
00:51:06,290 --> 00:51:03,450
fields but we can then dispose we can

1031
00:51:09,050 --> 00:51:06,300
dispose of the the debrief footage we

1032
00:51:11,900 --> 00:51:09,060
can dispose of the cameraman statement

1033
00:51:14,300 --> 00:51:11,910
I've proven that I did that too

1034
00:51:18,380 --> 00:51:14,310
I've revealed who the who the cameraman

1035
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:18,390
is I've done that quite clearly if you

1036
00:51:22,610 --> 00:51:20,160
haven't seen it I can send you clips and

1037
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:22,620
show you exactly what that is so it's

1038
00:51:27,860 --> 00:51:25,050
another fake film that until he has put

1039
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:27,870
out the ends and suggested it's real

1040
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:30,570
okay so if he's got a habit of doing

1041
00:51:35,450 --> 00:51:32,970
this it's not like a one-time thing it's

1042
00:51:38,930 --> 00:51:35,460
it's there there are known fakes that

1043
00:51:41,750 --> 00:51:38,940
that he can't argue with in fact he

1044
00:51:44,660 --> 00:51:41,760
agreed that the debrief footage is fake

1045
00:51:45,980 --> 00:51:44,670
on the Eamonn Holmes show and he

1046
00:51:48,620 --> 00:51:45,990
actually said

1047
00:51:51,260 --> 00:51:48,630
oh it was autistic license okay well

1048
00:51:52,340 --> 00:51:51,270
yeah artistic license really it's fake

1049
00:51:54,590 --> 00:51:52,350
yes that's all it is

1050
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:54,600
it says Mike is Michael aware of what

1051
00:52:00,859 --> 00:51:57,330
the Eamonn Holmes show is just a

1052
00:52:02,060 --> 00:52:00,869
modification no I I totally understand

1053
00:52:04,220 --> 00:52:02,070
what you're talking about though but

1054
00:52:06,770 --> 00:52:04,230
I'll tell you what you guys um there are

1055
00:52:09,140 --> 00:52:06,780
some fast breaking news that just was

1056
00:52:10,820 --> 00:52:09,150
released by Phillip that I don't think a

1057
00:52:13,010 --> 00:52:10,830
whole lot of people in this universe

1058
00:52:16,220 --> 00:52:13,020
knows right now because that key said

1059
00:52:19,130 --> 00:52:16,230
there is only a handful of people

1060
00:52:22,609 --> 00:52:19,140
including himself who saw another

1061
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:22,619
version of the supposed alien autopsy

1062
00:52:28,270 --> 00:52:25,650
film I would ask Phillip if he's willing

1063
00:52:32,060 --> 00:52:28,280
to do this to give us a little idea of

1064
00:52:35,530 --> 00:52:32,070
what indeed he saw on this longer

1065
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:35,540
brighter version of the alien autopsy

1066
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:38,850
personally it's nothing new why can I

1067
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:41,330
shoot it and I have witness testimony

1068
00:52:46,790 --> 00:52:43,650
from each of the individuals I've

1069
00:52:49,490 --> 00:52:46,800
mentioned in my book but just for those

1070
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:49,500
that are not aware the other but also

1071
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:53,130
will support me on this first of all the

1072
00:52:58,010 --> 00:52:54,690
first thing I've only ever seen it once

1073
00:53:01,460 --> 00:52:58,020
so what I'm relying on the you know like

1074
00:53:06,020 --> 00:53:01,470
25 years ago the first thing that hit me

1075
00:53:07,580 --> 00:53:06,030
was it was brighter the film was a lot

1076
00:53:11,180 --> 00:53:07,590
brighter than the one we've all seen on

1077
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:11,190
the television if I remember correctly I

1078
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:14,090
think you each see and I didn't time it

1079
00:53:19,550 --> 00:53:16,800
it seemed as if it around a little bit

1080
00:53:23,720 --> 00:53:19,560
longer than the other one it's the same

1081
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:23,730
room same environment same suits medical

1082
00:53:30,290 --> 00:53:27,690
instruments clock telephone etc but they

1083
00:53:31,820 --> 00:53:30,300
do a slightly difficult different

1084
00:53:36,590 --> 00:53:31,830
medical procedure they're still pretty

1085
00:53:39,500 --> 00:53:36,600
open it doesn't go out with focus as

1086
00:53:42,770 --> 00:53:39,510
much this is my recollection ie they

1087
00:53:44,270 --> 00:53:42,780
didn't going to close with the camera on

1088
00:53:46,340 --> 00:53:44,280
the one that you've all seen when they

1089
00:53:50,590 --> 00:53:46,350
cut open the chest cavity they take out

1090
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:50,600
like a little old pink piece of material

1091
00:53:56,780 --> 00:53:54,450
like a little gem semi precious gem on

1092
00:53:57,290 --> 00:53:56,790
the other one you can see that much

1093
00:53:58,820 --> 00:53:57,300
clearer

1094
00:54:01,190 --> 00:53:58,830
so it's something

1095
00:54:04,610 --> 00:54:01,200
remove from the chest cavity and there's

1096
00:54:07,130 --> 00:54:04,620
a gynecological examination that's the

1097
00:54:10,730 --> 00:54:07,140
best way I can describe it conduction as

1098
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:10,740
well did it yeah let me just but yeah

1099
00:54:15,710 --> 00:54:13,410
let me just confirm I saw that with my

1100
00:54:18,770 --> 00:54:15,720
wife we both sat and sent to his office

1101
00:54:20,450 --> 00:54:18,780
watching it on VHS where it's sealed by

1102
00:54:23,750 --> 00:54:20,460
RTI researcher from Italy

1103
00:54:26,060 --> 00:54:23,760
he saw it colleague and rules and a

1104
00:54:29,240 --> 00:54:26,070
colleague also saw it as did reg Presley

1105
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:29,250
as well and the statements involved the

1106
00:54:34,340 --> 00:54:31,650
merit are in my book and that's the best

1107
00:54:40,340 --> 00:54:34,350
of my recollection Spiros I know you

1108
00:54:42,620 --> 00:54:40,350
made it so you know fine way do you

1109
00:54:46,130 --> 00:54:42,630
remember I told you what was on that

1110
00:54:49,220 --> 00:54:46,140
film before you even mentioned it

1111
00:54:52,940 --> 00:54:49,230
yes okay so I'm one of those people that

1112
00:54:57,110 --> 00:54:52,950
saw the film yes yes at very best the

1113
00:55:00,650 --> 00:54:57,120
very best down any well I know you

1114
00:55:03,230 --> 00:55:00,660
explained things to me as well yeah yeah

1115
00:55:05,900 --> 00:55:03,240
I didn't just tell you I saw it no but I

1116
00:55:11,420 --> 00:55:05,910
made statements about the film now just

1117
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:11,430
to qualify what I said okay that film

1118
00:55:18,290 --> 00:55:15,330
was longer because I didn't edit that

1119
00:55:21,020 --> 00:55:18,300
film that film was not aged and it

1120
00:55:24,530 --> 00:55:21,030
wasn't an edited it was exactly the same

1121
00:55:26,330 --> 00:55:24,540
amount of film that I shot but unedited

1122
00:55:27,980 --> 00:55:26,340
so if I edited out the bits that I

1123
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:27,990
didn't like I would have ended up with a

1124
00:55:32,890 --> 00:55:30,210
shorter film okay but I didn't edit it I

1125
00:55:36,830 --> 00:55:32,900
gave that Santini tilly that film

1126
00:55:39,290 --> 00:55:36,840
unedited unaged okay in its entirety I

1127
00:55:40,970 --> 00:55:39,300
also told him not to show anybody and

1128
00:55:44,450 --> 00:55:40,980
the reason I supported not to show

1129
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:44,460
anybody was because it's incorrect in

1130
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:46,770
terms of the medical procedures and if

1131
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:47,970
somebody that knows what they're looking

1132
00:55:53,930 --> 00:55:50,570
at saw it they would immediately

1133
00:55:56,030 --> 00:55:53,940
disprove it as being real right the

1134
00:55:59,330 --> 00:55:56,040
other thing that I that I can tell you

1135
00:56:01,760 --> 00:55:59,340
is it was the first one we shot and we

1136
00:56:05,660 --> 00:56:01,770
shot it as a pathologist would have done

1137
00:56:08,150 --> 00:56:05,670
the autopsy I had an artistic moment

1138
00:56:10,490 --> 00:56:08,160
where I thought wouldn't it be great and

1139
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:10,500
a little bit uncomfortable if they were

1140
00:56:17,240 --> 00:56:12,810
to do an examination of the vagina

1141
00:56:19,490 --> 00:56:17,250
okay after I filmed that it looked too

1142
00:56:21,350 --> 00:56:19,500
pornographic and I said look we can't

1143
00:56:22,010 --> 00:56:21,360
we're not doing that again it's gone the

1144
00:56:24,170 --> 00:56:22,020
wrong way

1145
00:56:26,330 --> 00:56:24,180
yeah it's no longer a medical thing it

1146
00:56:30,290 --> 00:56:26,340
now looks wrong okay

1147
00:56:33,380 --> 00:56:30,300
so we didn't go there the creature on

1148
00:56:35,380 --> 00:56:33,390
the table to Phil is identical to the

1149
00:56:39,050 --> 00:56:35,390
one in the other film is that correct

1150
00:56:41,390 --> 00:56:39,060
absolutely spot-on yes yeah so but I

1151
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:41,400
didn't have a damaged leg no no no

1152
00:56:45,620 --> 00:56:43,770
damage to it whatsoever no because

1153
00:56:48,740 --> 00:56:45,630
because that one we had lots of time to

1154
00:56:50,570 --> 00:56:48,750
create it the other one the second one

1155
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:50,580
we had to do in a hurry because we did

1156
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:52,530
the first one it was wrong and Santilli

1157
00:56:55,940 --> 00:56:54,210
had promised everybody that he's got

1158
00:57:00,550 --> 00:56:55,950
this film and he's gonna show everybody

1159
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:00,560
the film and I had to create a new one

1160
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:03,450
out of my own money because we've spent

1161
00:57:09,290 --> 00:57:07,170
the budget and because it was rushed

1162
00:57:11,570 --> 00:57:09,300
there was an air bubble trapped in the

1163
00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:11,580
in the in the mold on the on the right

1164
00:57:14,270 --> 00:57:13,440
knee and when we took it out of the mold

1165
00:57:16,310 --> 00:57:14,280
it collapsed

1166
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:16,320
so I said to John let's create a wound

1167
00:57:20,300 --> 00:57:18,570
and that's how we got around it and you

1168
00:57:23,330 --> 00:57:20,310
know the burning they talked about in

1169
00:57:26,180 --> 00:57:23,340
the memo well that's because I had to

1170
00:57:27,650 --> 00:57:26,190
cut the skin open and open and we

1171
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:27,660
decided what we'll do is make it look

1172
00:57:31,610 --> 00:57:29,490
like a bullet wound that came from

1173
00:57:32,810 --> 00:57:31,620
behind the knee and came through the

1174
00:57:36,620 --> 00:57:32,820
front okay

1175
00:57:38,690 --> 00:57:36,630
and I burnt around the edges of the skin

1176
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:38,700
to make it look like this severe heat

1177
00:57:43,430 --> 00:57:41,610
there that was just an aspect a special

1178
00:57:46,690 --> 00:57:43,440
effect but that was a big difference

1179
00:57:50,090 --> 00:57:46,700
between the two different films

1180
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:50,100
everything else however is identical the

1181
00:57:55,430 --> 00:57:52,530
clock on the wall the telephone the

1182
00:57:57,710 --> 00:57:55,440
autopsy table the suits all of those

1183
00:58:00,560 --> 00:57:57,720
things are identical in the same

1184
00:58:02,990 --> 00:58:00,570
position the reason it's brighter is

1185
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:03,000
because it's not been aged it was

1186
00:58:08,470 --> 00:58:05,610
actually camera original material very

1187
00:58:11,660 --> 00:58:08,480
clean it wasn't going out of focus I

1188
00:58:14,450 --> 00:58:11,670
hadn't done that to it the a person

1189
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:14,460
espera so really quick when you mention

1190
00:58:18,740 --> 00:58:16,170
John you're talking about John Humphries

1191
00:58:24,110 --> 00:58:18,750
and Scott yet John Humphries the guy

1192
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:24,120
that sculpted the the and John John went

1193
00:58:28,790 --> 00:58:25,890
off to the butcher together

1194
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:28,800
a knuckle you know a sheeps knuckle of

1195
00:58:35,510 --> 00:58:31,650
the leg to put into the into the fake

1196
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:35,520
alien right so the crystal that you're

1197
00:58:42,530 --> 00:58:38,730
talking about on the heart came from a

1198
00:58:46,750 --> 00:58:42,540
uri geller crystal okay magic crystal

1199
00:58:50,900 --> 00:58:46,760
book and this is like this is just so

1200
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:50,910
the to think we can dispel that the film

1201
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:54,210
that you saw Phillip very quickly we can

1202
00:59:00,200 --> 00:58:56,130
dispel it that it isn't the original

1203
00:59:03,290 --> 00:59:00,210
film that that Michael is talking about

1204
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:03,300
because the film that Michael is talking

1205
00:59:09,710 --> 00:59:06,450
about was nothing there's a few frames

1206
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:09,720
if you listen to what's until he said it

1207
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:12,930
was damaged beyond repair there was only

1208
00:59:26,180 --> 00:59:22,670
beyond to tape if it was damaged beyond

1209
00:59:28,580 --> 00:59:26,190
repair so it's one thing to say well

1210
00:59:30,230 --> 00:59:28,590
there might be some real frames that's

1211
00:59:32,510 --> 00:59:30,240
okay listen that's ambiguous at the

1212
00:59:34,580 --> 00:59:32,520
moment that's up in the air but to say

1213
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:34,590
that this second film will the first

1214
00:59:39,860 --> 00:59:38,250
film rather is maybe the original film

1215
00:59:43,430 --> 00:59:39,870
that you're talking about as being

1216
00:59:45,710 --> 00:59:43,440
genuine is it's just on the whole water

1217
00:59:48,140 --> 00:59:45,720
ya know what no one's really saying that

1218
00:59:50,030 --> 00:59:48,150
for sure uh-huh spiros but I'll tell you

1219
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:50,040
what you uh you just gave it some really

1220
00:59:54,710 --> 00:59:52,050
cool information that I don't think a

1221
00:59:56,330 --> 00:59:54,720
lot of folks know about and I just like

1222
00:59:58,970 --> 00:59:56,340
to confirm a few of the points that you

1223
01:00:01,520 --> 00:59:58,980
made the two bodies that you're sitting

1224
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:01,530
in this thing one of them had a guy no

1225
01:00:05,590 --> 01:00:03,690
logical procedure done the other one

1226
01:00:08,450 --> 01:00:05,600
didn't but you're saying that basically

1227
01:00:11,270 --> 01:00:08,460
they're the same bodies in both versions

1228
01:00:13,180 --> 01:00:11,280
is what you're saying right identical

1229
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:13,190
came out the same mold yeah alright then

1230
01:00:18,260 --> 01:00:15,930
about from the damage on wound to the

1231
01:00:20,750 --> 01:00:18,270
leg yeah yeah the other one there's no

1232
01:00:22,850 --> 01:00:20,760
of course yeah but but then again you're

1233
01:00:25,790 --> 01:00:22,860
saying that John country's Humphreys

1234
01:00:28,490 --> 01:00:25,800
made these bodies with a motor this body

1235
01:00:31,070 --> 01:00:28,500
with a mold and then you're saying that

1236
01:00:34,190 --> 01:00:31,080
there was an ability to in that bowl to

1237
01:00:36,620 --> 01:00:34,200
peel off the skin and obviously in the

1238
01:00:39,220 --> 01:00:36,630
alien autopsy there is that kind of

1239
01:00:41,859 --> 01:00:39,230
thing did he make a mold that was solid

1240
01:00:44,349 --> 01:00:41,869
or did he make a mold that could have

1241
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:44,359
been a skin mold that he put over an

1242
01:00:50,500 --> 01:00:47,570
other kind of body that was used for the

1243
01:00:54,220 --> 01:00:50,510
internal parts no no I say it's very

1244
01:01:00,460 --> 01:00:54,230
simple that the mold was was solid it's

1245
01:01:03,450 --> 01:01:00,470
the it's the negative of of the body two

1246
01:01:07,270 --> 01:01:03,460
halves and they're bolted together and

1247
01:01:10,599 --> 01:01:07,280
we we put in latex which swished around

1248
01:01:13,599 --> 01:01:10,609
latex to every area in the in the mold

1249
01:01:15,340 --> 01:01:13,609
so that creates a skin and that skin if

1250
01:01:17,380 --> 01:01:15,350
you were to take it out of the mold

1251
01:01:19,690 --> 01:01:17,390
without filling it it would collapse and

1252
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:19,700
stick to itself okay it would become

1253
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:22,970
useless whilst that skin is on the mold

1254
01:01:33,130 --> 01:01:30,050
we then injected a two-pack foam resin

1255
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:33,140
what that is is a resin that it has a

1256
01:01:37,270 --> 01:01:35,570
hardener when you put the hardener into

1257
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:37,280
the resin it what it does it reacts and

1258
01:01:43,599 --> 01:01:40,970
bubbles okay and it creates a foam like

1259
01:01:45,370 --> 01:01:43,609
a sponge and it pushes outwards because

1260
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:45,380
the bubbles are forever increasing

1261
01:01:49,890 --> 01:01:47,090
because the reaction the chemical

1262
01:01:53,230 --> 01:01:49,900
reaction so what happens is this this

1263
01:01:56,620 --> 01:01:53,240
expands and fills with lots and lots of

1264
01:01:59,140 --> 01:01:56,630
bubbles like a sponge and sets so now

1265
01:02:02,859 --> 01:01:59,150
what you've got is you've got a latex

1266
01:02:05,740 --> 01:02:02,869
rubber skin around a solid sponge

1267
01:02:08,109 --> 01:02:05,750
okay now you take that out of the mold

1268
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:08,119
and it's solid this they say it's a body

1269
01:02:16,810 --> 01:02:13,490
now if the resin material that you put

1270
01:02:18,690 --> 01:02:16,820
in to fill out the skin doesn't reach

1271
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:18,700
every corner because of an air bubble

1272
01:02:22,870 --> 01:02:21,170
okay so then you what you do you pour it

1273
01:02:24,700 --> 01:02:22,880
gently into the feet and you let it

1274
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:24,710
expand and then you pour a little bit

1275
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:26,570
more into the into the knee and you let

1276
01:02:31,930 --> 01:02:28,970
it it's a man and you slowly fill the

1277
01:02:33,490 --> 01:02:31,940
body if you pour it too quickly into the

1278
01:02:35,020 --> 01:02:33,500
leg which is what we did on this

1279
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:35,030
particular instance on a second one

1280
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:37,010
because we didn't have a lot of time we

1281
01:02:41,230 --> 01:02:38,330
had to get a body out of there

1282
01:02:43,810 --> 01:02:41,240
once we poured it in and there was a it

1283
01:02:48,550 --> 01:02:43,820
was a trapped bubble of air which was

1284
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:48,560
between the shin and the knee that whole

1285
01:02:53,050 --> 01:02:51,890
bit was not full of foam so yeah I told

1286
01:02:54,580 --> 01:02:53,060
I totally understand that but

1287
01:02:57,310 --> 01:02:54,590
you said some really interesting stuff

1288
01:03:00,910 --> 01:02:57,320
here I wanted to clarify how did you get

1289
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:00,920
the cavities in this foam body to to

1290
01:03:05,950 --> 01:03:03,650
appear and how did you get the supposed

1291
01:03:08,980 --> 01:03:05,960
you know organs whatever you're pulling

1292
01:03:11,350 --> 01:03:08,990
out of it out of the mold or into the

1293
01:03:15,190 --> 01:03:11,360
mold before you made how did that work

1294
01:03:18,940 --> 01:03:15,200
very easy very very easy what we did was

1295
01:03:22,420 --> 01:03:18,950
we we turn the body face down we cut the

1296
01:03:24,850 --> 01:03:22,430
back open we emptied it out the phone

1297
01:03:26,740 --> 01:03:24,860
from within the inside of the cavity to

1298
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:26,750
create a cavity where we would put the

1299
01:03:32,410 --> 01:03:29,570
organs we put the organs into the body

1300
01:03:36,490 --> 01:03:32,420
from behind from the back we've enclosed

1301
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:36,500
the the skin that we cut turned it over

1302
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:39,170
and put it onto the table so now you're

1303
01:03:43,500 --> 01:03:41,330
never gonna see that opening because at

1304
01:03:48,430 --> 01:03:43,510
no point do you ever see the back of the

1305
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:48,440
alien okay so when you fill up the

1306
01:03:52,150 --> 01:03:50,810
cavity with fake blood animal blood

1307
01:03:53,980 --> 01:03:52,160
because there's blood coming off the

1308
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:53,990
organs because they were real organs

1309
01:03:59,650 --> 01:03:57,050
they were real you know sheep cow pig

1310
01:04:02,320 --> 01:03:59,660
there were real organs so there was real

1311
01:04:05,980 --> 01:04:02,330
blood as well as fake blood but once you

1312
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:05,990
tore that inside the cavity as a sponge

1313
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:08,450
it soaks up all that blood and it sits

1314
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:10,970
in the sponge oh that's that's genius

1315
01:04:14,830 --> 01:04:13,130
that's really genius now how did you do

1316
01:04:17,860 --> 01:04:14,840
the brain or the head did you do it

1317
01:04:21,130 --> 01:04:17,870
behind as well no no that's a different

1318
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:21,140
different technique the way we made the

1319
01:04:29,260 --> 01:04:26,090
brain was John made John sculpted a mold

1320
01:04:31,900 --> 01:04:29,270
which was basically the size and shape

1321
01:04:34,870 --> 01:04:31,910
of the the inside of the head of the

1322
01:04:38,940 --> 01:04:34,880
creature but what we did was before we

1323
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:38,950
we put a very thin layer of gelatin tin

1324
01:04:44,140 --> 01:04:41,570
and let it set and then we put two

1325
01:04:46,380 --> 01:04:44,150
sheeps brains Stuyvesant did you do that

1326
01:04:48,820 --> 01:04:46,390
from the behind how did you get his turn

1327
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:48,830
it's outside the body right now okay so

1328
01:04:54,130 --> 01:04:51,130
we create the brain outside of the body

1329
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:54,140
and it's in a mold and then we fill the

1330
01:04:59,290 --> 01:04:56,930
mold with gelatin okay so the two sheeps

1331
01:05:03,880 --> 01:04:59,300
brains are now encount encased in their

1332
01:05:05,590 --> 01:05:03,890
jelly mold okay what we did was and I

1333
01:05:06,940 --> 01:05:05,600
want you to watch the film now because

1334
01:05:09,250 --> 01:05:06,950
what I'm gonna tell you will

1335
01:05:12,069 --> 01:05:09,260
you exactly what we did it's just it's

1336
01:05:15,700 --> 01:05:12,079
just a clever cut and I'll show you how

1337
01:05:20,230 --> 01:05:15,710
it works John cut the top of the head

1338
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:20,240
off okay we then fade two flashes of

1339
01:05:26,650 --> 01:05:24,050
white and I move around and in the in

1340
01:05:31,780 --> 01:05:26,660
the phase of me moving round to the back

1341
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:31,790
we cut I then take the head away the cap

1342
01:05:37,030 --> 01:05:34,970
that he's just cut you take that away we

1343
01:05:40,599 --> 01:05:37,040
hollow out the head because it's just

1344
01:05:43,180 --> 01:05:40,609
sponge we put in the the brain into

1345
01:05:46,210 --> 01:05:43,190
position and then we put the cap back on

1346
01:05:48,609 --> 01:05:46,220
and I'm now shoot from a different angle

1347
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:48,619
and if you look at the film you'll see

1348
01:05:54,579 --> 01:05:52,490
the exact point where it cuts then

1349
01:05:56,589 --> 01:05:54,589
dissolves the deflectors then what

1350
01:05:58,569 --> 01:05:56,599
happens is it looks like we've taken the

1351
01:06:00,760 --> 01:05:58,579
cap off and the brain was already in

1352
01:06:06,460 --> 01:06:00,770
there but it wasn't we put that in

1353
01:06:08,170 --> 01:06:06,470
afterwards okay but enough of the skull

1354
01:06:10,690 --> 01:06:08,180
first to pull it back before you took

1355
01:06:14,250 --> 01:06:10,700
the skull apart it sounds like because I

1356
01:06:16,540 --> 01:06:14,260
remember doing yeah there is no skull

1357
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:16,550
you'll you won't see a skull what it is

1358
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:19,970
we repealed the latex skin to reveal the

1359
01:06:23,980 --> 01:06:22,010
sponge inside which was obviously

1360
01:06:27,540 --> 01:06:23,990
covered in blood and looking very shiny

1361
01:06:31,569 --> 01:06:27,550
and gorg wet but once that happened

1362
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:31,579
that's where he soared that suppose its

1363
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:33,770
goal if you watch the way that he's

1364
01:06:38,230 --> 01:06:35,810
soaring is actually not cutting into

1365
01:06:40,300 --> 01:06:38,240
anything and if you look at the way the

1366
01:06:42,460 --> 01:06:40,310
head moves you can see there's no weight

1367
01:06:47,319 --> 01:06:42,470
to the head all right it's actually a

1368
01:06:50,559 --> 01:06:47,329
great giveaway but he but I miss one

1369
01:06:52,809 --> 01:06:50,569
thing out when we made the the brain in

1370
01:06:55,630 --> 01:06:52,819
the gelatin we then coated the whole

1371
01:06:58,660 --> 01:06:55,640
thing in latex so it created a skin

1372
01:07:01,210 --> 01:06:58,670
around the jelly and it's a beautiful

1373
01:07:03,819 --> 01:07:01,220
effect when he puts the the scissors

1374
01:07:05,470 --> 01:07:03,829
underneath the skin and it looks it

1375
01:07:07,900 --> 01:07:05,480
looks like he's cutting an amendment a

1376
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:07,910
membrane it's just a bit of latex okay

1377
01:07:12,130 --> 01:07:09,530
but that's how it is it wasn't in the

1378
01:07:16,300 --> 01:07:12,140
head before it was put an ass

1379
01:07:17,859 --> 01:07:16,310
fascinating awesome okay

1380
01:07:19,390 --> 01:07:17,869
the film's there you can now look at it

1381
01:07:20,740 --> 01:07:19,400
again and you'll see what I said is

1382
01:07:23,380 --> 01:07:20,750
actually exactly weapon

1383
01:07:26,710 --> 01:07:23,390
okay at gentlemen I just wanted to bring

1384
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:26,720
up a point to I'm certain that a point a

1385
01:07:32,220 --> 01:07:29,450
question to ask Michael Hall that I told

1386
01:07:35,020 --> 01:07:32,230
him I would ask him and that is this

1387
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:35,030
wanted to ask you when Ray Santilli was

1388
01:07:39,339 --> 01:07:37,130
on the show with you and grant Cameron

1389
01:07:41,740 --> 01:07:39,349
last year was a little under a year ago

1390
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:41,750
I think race until he made a series of

1391
01:07:46,599 --> 01:07:44,450
claims and promises to you the very

1392
01:07:49,570 --> 01:07:46,609
specific question I have for you is this

1393
01:07:52,300 --> 01:07:49,580
how long are you gonna wait for Ray

1394
01:07:54,670 --> 01:07:52,310
Santilli Ray Santilli to make good on

1395
01:07:58,660 --> 01:07:54,680
the promises that he made to you

1396
01:08:01,000 --> 01:07:58,670
regarding what he said he wanted you to

1397
01:08:03,130 --> 01:08:01,010
bring back to you or that he would

1398
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:03,140
fulfill regarding a request that you had

1399
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:07,970
or requests well I suppose that question

1400
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:11,090
presupposes that a time frame would go

1401
01:08:15,460 --> 01:08:12,530
by and then all of a sudden I'm going to

1402
01:08:17,530 --> 01:08:15,470
make a statement of some kind regarding

1403
01:08:20,769 --> 01:08:17,540
that I have no time frame

1404
01:08:22,959 --> 01:08:20,779
I'm not waiting at all he made that

1405
01:08:25,300 --> 01:08:22,969
statement it's going to be up to him to

1406
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:25,310
see if he wants to respond at all and or

1407
01:08:30,370 --> 01:08:27,650
whether he wants to let more time go by

1408
01:08:32,440 --> 01:08:30,380
in that regard you know I'm not the kind

1409
01:08:34,809 --> 01:08:32,450
of guy as an investigator that goes out

1410
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:34,819
and hounds people to follow up on their

1411
01:08:39,370 --> 01:08:36,890
previous statements if they want to let

1412
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:39,380
them lie and not clarify them that's up

1413
01:08:43,959 --> 01:08:41,330
to them and it then it's up to the

1414
01:08:45,970 --> 01:08:43,969
public to make their decision about the

1415
01:08:48,099 --> 01:08:45,980
truth or veracity of what they're saying

1416
01:08:49,690 --> 01:08:48,109
so I have no compunction one way or

1417
01:08:51,099 --> 01:08:49,700
another whether he's going to come forth

1418
01:08:55,180 --> 01:08:51,109
and talk to us about it

1419
01:08:57,070 --> 01:08:55,190
or perve la in any of that original

1420
01:09:00,070 --> 01:08:57,080
footage that he said he had and I

1421
01:09:01,990 --> 01:09:00,080
remember specifically asking him that

1422
01:09:05,349 --> 01:09:02,000
Ray we don't necessarily just need

1423
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:05,359
generic footage of the original film to

1424
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:08,810
prove that it's 1947 we need footage

1425
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:12,170
with an alien image on it can you

1426
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:15,410
provide that he said he would we'll see

1427
01:09:23,050 --> 01:09:21,770
if he ever does okay yes please do give

1428
01:09:24,820 --> 01:09:23,060
some input and then I'd love to hear

1429
01:09:26,950 --> 01:09:24,830
from Spiros after you're done Phil thank

1430
01:09:30,459 --> 01:09:26,960
you well you know as for the time frame

1431
01:09:32,049 --> 01:09:30,469
how about 25 years

1432
01:09:35,140 --> 01:09:32,059
because he's been promising to deliver

1433
01:09:38,620 --> 01:09:35,150
that from 1995 when I first met him and

1434
01:09:42,370 --> 01:09:38,630
it's now 25 years so Michael I hope you

1435
01:09:44,349 --> 01:09:42,380
don't have to wait 25 years Oh Philip

1436
01:09:46,779 --> 01:09:44,359
I'm not waiting at all as you well know

1437
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:46,789
just like yourself we have lots of other

1438
01:09:55,359 --> 01:09:52,210
fish to fry absolutely sorry sorry go on

1439
01:09:56,770 --> 01:09:55,369
great thank you very much spirits did

1440
01:09:59,350 --> 01:09:56,780
you have a comment you need needed to

1441
01:10:01,180 --> 01:09:59,360
make regarding that at all or because I

1442
01:10:02,469 --> 01:10:01,190
did have another go ahead I was just

1443
01:10:02,859 --> 01:10:02,479
gonna bring on another topic but go

1444
01:10:06,069 --> 01:10:02,869
ahead

1445
01:10:11,109 --> 01:10:06,079
all right only the obvious one okay and

1446
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:11,119
that is to say that if he has film he

1447
01:10:16,060 --> 01:10:14,210
should put it up or shut up it's very

1448
01:10:20,140 --> 01:10:16,070
simple this is not this is not rocket

1449
01:10:23,350 --> 01:10:20,150
science if he has real film let's see it

1450
01:10:26,379 --> 01:10:23,360
we've had promises like Phil as Phil

1451
01:10:29,410 --> 01:10:26,389
says right since since forever nothing's

1452
01:10:31,299 --> 01:10:29,420
materialized lately and and by the way

1453
01:10:33,790 --> 01:10:31,309
in between the times he's been promising

1454
01:10:36,759 --> 01:10:33,800
that he will give film he'd backtracked

1455
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:36,769
and he said I can't give any more film

1456
01:10:42,129 --> 01:10:38,690
now because there's none left it's all

1457
01:10:44,259 --> 01:10:42,139
damaged it's become beyond repair there

1458
01:10:47,459 --> 01:10:44,269
is no film okay he said that it's on

1459
01:10:50,259 --> 01:10:47,469
record is that a Philip yes that's the

1460
01:10:53,109 --> 01:10:50,269
percent true okay and then what he did

1461
01:10:55,540 --> 01:10:53,119
he went on Michael show and he said yeah

1462
01:10:58,089 --> 01:10:55,550
no problem you wish you want a film oh

1463
01:11:01,029 --> 01:10:58,099
I'll send you film okay this is the same

1464
01:11:04,569 --> 01:11:01,039
man that told us there is no film okay

1465
01:11:07,479 --> 01:11:04,579
so if you say well I'm not waiting for

1466
01:11:10,779 --> 01:11:07,489
the film is because you either designed

1467
01:11:13,299 --> 01:11:10,789
to the fact that there is no film which

1468
01:11:14,950 --> 01:11:13,309
which means that he lied it can't be a

1469
01:11:16,899 --> 01:11:14,960
different week onward in a different way

1470
01:11:19,180 --> 01:11:16,909
he said they give you film he hasn't

1471
01:11:21,310 --> 01:11:19,190
given you film he could have said you

1472
01:11:22,419 --> 01:11:21,320
know what you know what Michael I'm not

1473
01:11:24,759 --> 01:11:22,429
gonna give you any film it's too

1474
01:11:26,020 --> 01:11:24,769
valuable you know I'm going to keep it

1475
01:11:28,029 --> 01:11:26,030
to myself they could have said any

1476
01:11:29,770 --> 01:11:28,039
matter he didn't do that he said yes

1477
01:11:33,489 --> 01:11:29,780
absolutely no problem

1478
01:11:37,209 --> 01:11:33,499
he said to the the expressed newspaper

1479
01:11:39,969 --> 01:11:37,219
in in the UK that he will have a lie

1480
01:11:43,180 --> 01:11:39,979
detector test with me okay

1481
01:11:43,870 --> 01:11:43,190
about the film he said yes I will do

1482
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:43,880
that

1483
01:11:50,590 --> 01:11:48,410
guess what he didn't do it I was there

1484
01:11:52,900 --> 01:11:50,600
I'm still here right he didn't do it so

1485
01:11:54,190 --> 01:11:52,910
he makes promises because he knows that

1486
01:11:56,700 --> 01:11:54,200
on the day that he makes the promise

1487
01:11:59,620 --> 01:11:56,710
everyone's happy and then they forget

1488
01:12:02,080 --> 01:11:59,630
they forget to pull him up on it so I

1489
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:02,090
would I would suggest with respect I

1490
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:04,250
would reach I would suggest that you do

1491
01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:05,810
put a time scale on it and you say

1492
01:12:10,450 --> 01:12:08,210
listen it's been 10 months let's call it

1493
01:12:13,390 --> 01:12:10,460
a year okay what you pull your time

1494
01:12:17,590 --> 01:12:13,400
let's have some film or we've got to say

1495
01:12:19,660 --> 01:12:17,600
there is no film and make of that what

1496
01:12:23,440 --> 01:12:19,670
you will but to just to leave it hanging

1497
01:12:26,050 --> 01:12:23,450
forever is is unfair on me isn't it well

1498
01:12:29,770 --> 01:12:26,060
I think the the basic bottom line issue

1499
01:12:33,850 --> 01:12:29,780
of our show tonight is or today the idea

1500
01:12:36,700 --> 01:12:33,860
that we can prove maybe or at one point

1501
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:36,710
that rate and send Tilly's film is not

1502
01:12:42,700 --> 01:12:40,370
correct or true but of course that does

1503
01:12:46,270 --> 01:12:42,710
not negate the fact that we've got

1504
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:46,280
testimony and potential evidence of the

1505
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:48,890
fact that there could be other films

1506
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:50,930
prior to this that other people have

1507
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:53,810
seen not just one or two that could be

1508
01:12:58,840 --> 01:12:56,330
realistic though that is what I'm very

1509
01:13:01,450 --> 01:12:58,850
interested in because I'm not so much

1510
01:13:04,180 --> 01:13:01,460
out to prove that race Antilles film is

1511
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:04,190
a fake that one way or another doesn't

1512
01:13:11,470 --> 01:13:07,730
mean much to me but if Ray Santilli or

1513
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:11,480
yourself or anybody else did a film that

1514
01:13:17,290 --> 01:13:14,690
was very similar to a previous film that

1515
01:13:26,710 --> 01:13:17,300
was supposedly real that's what I'm

1516
01:13:29,470 --> 01:13:26,720
after yes like this one to make it clear

1517
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:29,480
that this is not Santa Lee's film this

1518
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:31,970
is this is sparrows melora's film

1519
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:33,290
because he's the creator owner and

1520
01:13:36,790 --> 01:13:34,970
director of the alien autopsy film

1521
01:13:41,170 --> 01:13:36,800
please go ahead Phil yeah yeah I know

1522
01:13:42,910 --> 01:13:41,180
you know Michael is is is is a wire I

1523
01:13:47,470 --> 01:13:42,920
was a judge I believe I'm a correct

1524
01:13:51,700 --> 01:13:47,480
Michael yeah you're right yeah so when

1525
01:13:53,470 --> 01:13:51,710
we go we'll go back to the the memo that

1526
01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:53,480
we started talking up with did we've

1527
01:14:00,560 --> 01:13:57,130
digressed somewhat let's assume

1528
01:14:04,410 --> 01:14:00,570
for some reason what we were in thought

1529
01:14:09,150 --> 01:14:04,420
from your real legal training would that

1530
01:14:12,570 --> 01:14:09,160
document be accepted as authentic in a

1531
01:14:14,580 --> 01:14:12,580
court of law you know not what it claims

1532
01:14:17,550 --> 01:14:14,590
to of saying it yeah

1533
01:14:19,830 --> 01:14:17,560
but the actual document itself well I I

1534
01:14:22,500 --> 01:14:19,840
don't know that anyone is claiming that

1535
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:22,510
the document is not real this is

1536
01:14:27,270 --> 01:14:24,610
basically as we go back to the

1537
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:27,280
provenance of this document from what I

1538
01:14:33,660 --> 01:14:31,810
understand is basically from the Edgar

1539
01:14:36,090 --> 01:14:33,670
Mitchell estate documents along with

1540
01:14:38,340 --> 01:14:36,100
Admiral Wilson memo and some other

1541
01:14:40,410 --> 01:14:38,350
things that have been leaked so the the

1542
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:40,420
provenance of the document is not a

1543
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:44,890
concern but well well it is it is for me

1544
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:50,530
but keep going keep going oh it's very

1545
01:14:54,150 --> 01:14:52,210
good in analytical I appreciate your

1546
01:14:56,340 --> 01:14:54,160
discerning capabilities in that regard

1547
01:14:59,550 --> 01:14:56,350
but here's the thing I I want to clarify

1548
01:15:01,680 --> 01:14:59,560
two folks on the legal standards of

1549
01:15:04,230 --> 01:15:01,690
proof that we're dealing with in this

1550
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:04,240
regard if for instance you're convicted

1551
01:15:08,730 --> 01:15:06,730
or charged with a crime a criminal

1552
01:15:11,970 --> 01:15:08,740
standard of proof in a court of law

1553
01:15:14,220 --> 01:15:11,980
is literally very difficult beyond a

1554
01:15:16,440 --> 01:15:14,230
reasonable doubt you have to be

1555
01:15:19,340 --> 01:15:16,450
convicted of a crime now when we're

1556
01:15:22,530 --> 01:15:19,350
talking a civil matter a contract

1557
01:15:24,180 --> 01:15:22,540
proving the existence of a document

1558
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:24,190
those kinds of things this is a civil

1559
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:27,010
standard of proof that's basically what

1560
01:15:33,480 --> 01:15:28,930
they call a preponderance of the

1561
01:15:38,460 --> 01:15:33,490
evidence now what that means is only 51

1562
01:15:42,480 --> 01:15:38,470
percent of the evidence presented has to

1563
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:42,490
be determined to be true or correct to

1564
01:15:47,670 --> 01:15:45,010
make it pass the preponderance of the

1565
01:15:49,830 --> 01:15:47,680
evidence standard so in reality if

1566
01:15:51,330 --> 01:15:49,840
you're taking this memo and you're

1567
01:15:53,220 --> 01:15:51,340
putting it in front of court of law and

1568
01:15:55,440 --> 01:15:53,230
if you Philip I think this is a

1569
01:15:58,770 --> 01:15:55,450
fantastic idea because I have always

1570
01:16:01,620 --> 01:15:58,780
wanted to do a mock trial on some of

1571
01:16:04,440 --> 01:16:01,630
these issues in ufology encrypt ins and

1572
01:16:07,020 --> 01:16:04,450
whatever just like the old Jerry Spence

1573
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:07,030
days he used to do this on television

1574
01:16:10,950 --> 01:16:09,730
with the JFK a fashion aficionados and

1575
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:10,960
really putting the

1576
01:16:15,690 --> 01:16:13,210
thing to the test because if you did I

1577
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:15,700
believe it would be proven the memo

1578
01:16:21,540 --> 01:16:18,850
itself the actual truth that the thing

1579
01:16:22,290 --> 01:16:21,550
is a real memo beyond the preponderance

1580
01:16:25,620 --> 01:16:22,300
of the evidence

1581
01:16:28,670 --> 01:16:25,630
I just think I do want to jump in here

1582
01:16:32,910 --> 01:16:28,680
and I chant dug in on this as far as

1583
01:16:36,630 --> 01:16:32,920
some serious potential for manipulation

1584
01:16:38,700 --> 01:16:36,640
even if the lion's share of the memo and

1585
01:16:41,330 --> 01:16:38,710
the email chain is accurate you know

1586
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:41,340
we've also got some email addresses

1587
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:46,170
related to a put off and john alexander

1588
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:49,330
that don't check out and there are some

1589
01:16:54,330 --> 01:16:51,850
other small instances where it looks

1590
01:17:00,180 --> 01:16:54,340
like perhaps some manipulation has gone

1591
01:17:02,660 --> 01:17:00,190
on which what well wouldn't you do in a

1592
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:02,670
circumstance like that where you gotta

1593
01:17:10,500 --> 01:17:05,530
let me let me give an example okay

1594
01:17:13,740 --> 01:17:10,510
Michael an example is hmm how put off

1595
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:13,750
and John Alexander and kick green are

1596
01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:17,170
listed in the Bigelow memo as allegedly

1597
01:17:22,820 --> 01:17:19,210
having worked at General Motors in

1598
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:22,830
Singapore now how do I know that because

1599
01:17:28,830 --> 01:17:26,770
well for a few reasons one reason is

1600
01:17:31,229 --> 01:17:28,840
because yachtsman Saleh wrote a book and

1601
01:17:33,390 --> 01:17:31,239
the included kick green in one of his

1602
01:17:34,979 --> 01:17:33,400
books and as having worked at General

1603
01:17:37,070 --> 01:17:34,989
Motors in Singapore as the vice

1604
01:17:41,700 --> 01:17:37,080
president of General Motors there in

1605
01:17:45,959 --> 01:17:41,710
Singapore now moving along in the

1606
01:17:48,709 --> 01:17:45,969
Bigelow memo it's it's states that

1607
01:17:51,209 --> 01:17:48,719
helped put off and John Alexander

1608
01:17:54,870 --> 01:17:51,219
allegedly worked at General Motors in

1609
01:17:57,270 --> 01:17:54,880
Singapore example of that is just go to

1610
01:18:00,180 --> 01:17:57,280
page nine and you'll see at the bottom

1611
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:00,190
of that on page nine it says email

1612
01:18:07,770 --> 01:18:02,410
number three and you'll see how put off

1613
01:18:10,170 --> 01:18:07,780
at GM k SG John Alexander at GM comm SG

1614
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:10,180
and I went ahead and contacted John

1615
01:18:18,150 --> 01:18:15,010
Alexander about this and he said that at

1616
01:18:20,430 --> 01:18:18,160
no time did hear how put off and by the

1617
01:18:22,190 --> 01:18:20,440
way just so everybody knows these guys

1618
01:18:24,780 --> 01:18:22,200
have all known each other for decades

1619
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:24,790
all these folks here in this memo

1620
01:18:30,450 --> 01:18:26,890
okay it's not like they just met they've

1621
01:18:33,510 --> 01:18:30,460
known each other for years and just an

1622
01:18:36,930 --> 01:18:33,520
aside wanted to mention as that John

1623
01:18:40,010 --> 01:18:36,940
Alexander actually hired Erik Davis to

1624
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:40,020
work for him under under his leadership

1625
01:18:44,010 --> 01:18:42,850
is my understanding when he put together

1626
01:18:47,190 --> 01:18:44,020
the knids

1627
01:18:52,260 --> 01:18:47,200
group for Bob Bigelow it skinwalker

1628
01:18:55,290 --> 01:18:52,270
wrench anyway John Alexander was very

1629
01:18:57,750 --> 01:18:55,300
emphatic when he said not only have I

1630
01:18:59,610 --> 01:18:57,760
never worked at General Motors never

1631
01:19:03,360 --> 01:18:59,620
worked at General Motors in Singapore

1632
01:19:05,670 --> 01:19:03,370
and neither did how the other thing I

1633
01:19:09,990 --> 01:19:05,680
wanted to mention in this Bigelow memo

1634
01:19:11,910 --> 01:19:10,000
is that how is being called Halbert by

1635
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:11,920
kick green and I thought that was odd

1636
01:19:17,220 --> 01:19:14,890
because his name is not Halpert then the

1637
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:17,230
other thing I wanted to point out is in

1638
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:22,690
this memo it states that that kick green

1639
01:19:30,030 --> 01:19:25,570
was going very carefully over different

1640
01:19:33,780 --> 01:19:30,040
sections of this alleged aliens body and

1641
01:19:36,930 --> 01:19:33,790
as he was scrutinizing it he went over

1642
01:19:39,570 --> 01:19:36,940
the brain other organs such as the heart

1643
01:19:43,770 --> 01:19:39,580
and then very carefully categorized each

1644
01:19:48,690 --> 01:19:43,780
area of brain and then other organs and

1645
01:19:52,170 --> 01:19:48,700
then the gut and in this Bigelow memo he

1646
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:52,180
says brain rug a now cute green is a

1647
01:19:56,940 --> 01:19:53,890
scientist I would think somebody of his

1648
01:20:01,170 --> 01:19:56,950
caliber would know that there's no such

1649
01:20:03,570 --> 01:20:01,180
thing as brain Prag a an Anatomy rug a

1650
01:20:08,970 --> 01:20:03,580
our series of ridges produced by folding

1651
01:20:11,850 --> 01:20:08,980
of the wall of an organ not the brain so

1652
01:20:15,150 --> 01:20:11,860
mixing those two words up is very odd to

1653
01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:15,160
me and there's also a series of other

1654
01:20:21,300 --> 01:20:18,130
discrepancies now I can go over all

1655
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:21,310
these discrepancies with you but I

1656
01:20:31,310 --> 01:20:24,130
believe that if I were in court with you

1657
01:20:34,770 --> 01:20:31,320
I would be able to point out issues that

1658
01:20:38,310 --> 01:20:34,780
reveal that this Bigelow memo is not

1659
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:38,320
authentic as it stands in its entirely

1660
01:20:43,830 --> 01:20:40,810
well chant you're right there's a good

1661
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:43,840
example of what we would call a

1662
01:20:48,900 --> 01:20:47,650
one-sided cross examination of an expert

1663
01:20:51,330 --> 01:20:48,910
witness like yourself

1664
01:20:53,550 --> 01:20:51,340
for instance if there was a trial on

1665
01:20:57,030 --> 01:20:53,560
this entire event we're gonna bring in

1666
01:20:59,310 --> 01:20:57,040
collateral evidence about whether these

1667
01:21:01,950 --> 01:20:59,320
people were nicknamed other names did

1668
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:01,960
they call each other different names did

1669
01:21:07,530 --> 01:21:04,890
they make a mistake in their phraseology

1670
01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:07,540
those kinds of things in the past ask

1671
01:21:13,170 --> 01:21:10,090
for instance these would be an ongoing

1672
01:21:16,140 --> 01:21:13,180
multiple day or potentially weeks trial

1673
01:21:19,410 --> 01:21:16,150
on the minutiae of trying to get both

1674
01:21:21,690 --> 01:21:19,420
sides of a clear picture of whether

1675
01:21:24,810 --> 01:21:21,700
there's any truth or veracity to the

1676
01:21:26,820 --> 01:21:24,820
statements in the memo as well as the

1677
01:21:30,590 --> 01:21:26,830
provenance of the memo and then of

1678
01:21:34,770 --> 01:21:30,600
course a jury would make a determination

1679
01:21:38,100 --> 01:21:34,780
by a preponderance of the evidence fifty

1680
01:21:41,310 --> 01:21:38,110
fifty-one percent is all of this stuff

1681
01:21:44,550 --> 01:21:41,320
add up to potentially being believable

1682
01:21:46,380 --> 01:21:44,560
at a 51% level or not and then they

1683
01:21:47,940 --> 01:21:46,390
would actually make a ruling on that and

1684
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:47,950
that's exactly how it works

1685
01:21:52,710 --> 01:21:49,930
and it's important to note here that now

1686
01:21:54,450 --> 01:21:52,720
Richards chant chant let me jump in it's

1687
01:21:56,370 --> 01:21:54,460
important to note here that the Dolan

1688
01:21:58,590 --> 01:21:56,380
did caught Richard Dolan did contact

1689
01:22:01,500 --> 01:21:58,600
that kid Greene directly and he

1690
01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:01,510
essentially confirmed that the the

1691
01:22:08,010 --> 01:22:05,410
emails are legit he may not have gone

1692
01:22:12,690 --> 01:22:08,020
into the minutiae of an email addresses

1693
01:22:16,260 --> 01:22:12,700
and so on but I you know I accept that I

1694
01:22:20,130 --> 01:22:16,270
accept that in general that email

1695
01:22:22,740 --> 01:22:20,140
exchange and the the memo to Bigelow

1696
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:22,750
from Eric Davis's essentially correct

1697
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:25,330
but it does have some problems with the

1698
01:22:38,490 --> 01:22:35,970
that does raise questions as well and

1699
01:22:42,660 --> 01:22:38,500
you know he again confirmed the

1700
01:22:47,490 --> 01:22:42,670
authenticity of the document and another

1701
01:22:49,470 --> 01:22:47,500
gentleman named in this document I'm not

1702
01:22:51,090 --> 01:22:49,480
allowed to say who he is without many

1703
01:22:52,710 --> 01:22:51,100
names in it so you've got

1704
01:22:55,770 --> 01:22:52,720
but one in five chance of guessing who

1705
01:22:58,380 --> 01:22:55,780
he is shouted him and he said they were

1706
01:22:59,760 --> 01:22:58,390
authentic as well it wouldn't say what

1707
01:23:01,710 --> 01:22:59,770
chance just he confirmed the

1708
01:23:07,710 --> 01:23:01,720
authenticity of what was gonna race

1709
01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:07,720
Michael is it if if okay we there's one

1710
01:23:11,190 --> 01:23:09,730
thing that bothers me about the document

1711
01:23:15,030 --> 01:23:11,200
as we've moved down it I'll go on to

1712
01:23:20,100 --> 01:23:15,040
that it's it's the very bottom of page

1713
01:23:22,980 --> 01:23:20,110
eight and it's you know it says you know

1714
01:23:25,440 --> 01:23:22,990
did you have any disinformation problems

1715
01:23:27,690 --> 01:23:25,450
we're basically with the the guys you

1716
01:23:32,670 --> 01:23:27,700
were dealing with kick goes on he said

1717
01:23:34,470 --> 01:23:32,680
the PR folks around Santilli yes I was

1718
01:23:36,900 --> 01:23:34,480
actually what I was gonna bring up next

1719
01:23:39,300 --> 01:23:36,910
I'm not operating with a full set of

1720
01:23:42,450 --> 01:23:39,310
dishes and a little bit dense and not

1721
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:42,460
very nice to boot so in other words you

1722
01:23:46,470 --> 01:23:43,930
didn't need to do what's disinformation

1723
01:23:48,750 --> 01:23:46,480
customer as you know there was thick as

1724
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:48,760
two short planks now Spiros correct me

1725
01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:51,250
if I'm wrong but I never saw any PR

1726
01:23:59,280 --> 01:23:56,890
folks around Ray Santilli and what

1727
01:24:04,400 --> 01:23:59,290
certainly in 1995 when the film was

1728
01:24:07,350 --> 01:24:04,410
released there was no plan PR campaign

1729
01:24:11,430 --> 01:24:07,360
took on a life of its own didn't it yeah

1730
01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:11,440
the only person that that might be I

1731
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:14,530
don't know very loosely described as PR

1732
01:24:19,890 --> 01:24:16,570
might have been Chris Kerry but he was

1733
01:24:21,570 --> 01:24:19,900
selling the film so scary wasn't PA on

1734
01:24:26,130 --> 01:24:21,580
he certainly wouldn't still being there

1735
01:24:28,980 --> 01:24:26,140
in 2001 so who they're referring to that

1736
01:24:31,110 --> 01:24:28,990
I am no idea okay and it's funny because

1737
01:24:32,460 --> 01:24:31,120
you actually touched on the next topic

1738
01:24:36,330 --> 01:24:32,470
that I was gonna bring up so I'm gonna

1739
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:36,340
read that paragraph and before I read it

1740
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:38,410
let me just give some context so people

1741
01:24:45,110 --> 01:24:39,970
know where we're at we're on page eight

1742
01:24:47,490 --> 01:24:45,120
and it starts off with Eric allegedly

1743
01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:47,500
bringing up this point which is number

1744
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:51,250
seven and that would be allegedly Eric

1745
01:24:56,220 --> 01:24:53,770
Davis a scientist so it says number

1746
01:24:58,350 --> 01:24:56,230
seven and one by the excruciating CC

1747
01:25:00,030 --> 01:24:58,360
Indian disinformation in parentheses a

1748
01:25:01,980 --> 01:25:00,040
heavy concentrated debunking that the

1749
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:01,990
felf of video and Santilli when it aired

1750
01:25:06,210 --> 01:25:04,810
etc end of parentheses

1751
01:25:08,910 --> 01:25:06,220
active measures to hide it from the

1752
01:25:11,610 --> 01:25:08,920
public and then kit

1753
01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:11,620
allegedly says that being kicked green

1754
01:25:16,530 --> 01:25:14,050
the scientist that's easy the PR folks

1755
01:25:18,300 --> 01:25:16,540
around Santilli are indeed not operating

1756
01:25:20,100 --> 01:25:18,310
with the full set of dishes are little

1757
01:25:23,100 --> 01:25:20,110
dents not very nice to boot

1758
01:25:25,710 --> 01:25:23,110
there isn't much CCD disinfo at all

1759
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:25,720
there doesn't need to be I think this is

1760
01:25:30,030 --> 01:25:27,970
a basic flaw in the analysis we have all

1761
01:25:32,460 --> 01:25:30,040
been doing the only explanation needed

1762
01:25:34,500 --> 01:25:32,470
is simple it is a legitimately

1763
01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:34,510
classified black program controlled by

1764
01:25:38,580 --> 01:25:36,250
persons who have clout and power are

1765
01:25:39,780 --> 01:25:38,590
very smart and amongst the brightest

1766
01:25:41,130 --> 01:25:39,790
persons on the planet

1767
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:41,140
I know Spiros by the way is probably

1768
01:25:45,060 --> 01:25:42,970
laughing since antilles name is said

1769
01:25:47,970 --> 01:25:45,070
here in the same sentence as brightest

1770
01:25:50,250 --> 01:25:47,980
but anyway the program is sanctioned and

1771
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:50,260
legally protected by the constitutional

1772
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:52,570
national security justifications that

1773
01:25:56,610 --> 01:25:54,370
have always been tested in the highest

1774
01:26:00,390 --> 01:25:56,620
courts of this land to take precedence

1775
01:26:02,460 --> 01:26:00,400
over the 1st and 4th amendments the fact

1776
01:26:05,070 --> 01:26:02,470
we may not understand nor agree with the

1777
01:26:07,260 --> 01:26:05,080
little we know is neither explanation or

1778
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:07,270
justification from our not having what

1779
01:26:12,030 --> 01:26:08,890
they believe is a need to know based on

1780
01:26:15,210 --> 01:26:12,040
our want to know and then is basically

1781
01:26:17,580 --> 01:26:15,220
signed so to speak by kit you know with

1782
01:26:20,700 --> 01:26:17,590
his name and all caps there and then it

1783
01:26:23,310 --> 01:26:20,710
says I'm sorry regards Eric

1784
01:26:25,470 --> 01:26:23,320
so I guess kit wrote that and then maybe

1785
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:25,480
Eric mate may have copied and pasted out

1786
01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:27,610
allegedly and kit allegedly wrote that

1787
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:29,650
is that the thought process you all are

1788
01:26:34,950 --> 01:26:33,130
having on that paragraph yeah absolutely

1789
01:26:36,450 --> 01:26:34,960
but I still don't hold these people is

1790
01:26:44,730 --> 01:26:36,460
he's talking about then a complete

1791
01:26:46,650 --> 01:26:44,740
mastery to me just for Michael because

1792
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:46,660
he he came up with a great idea right

1793
01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:51,130
what a great idea if you would like to

1794
01:26:58,490 --> 01:26:54,250
do a court case write a mock court case

1795
01:26:59,670 --> 01:26:58,500
where we do this right I'm I'm there

1796
01:27:02,310 --> 01:26:59,680
okay

1797
01:27:06,750 --> 01:27:02,320
your challenge is to get sent to leave

1798
01:27:08,250 --> 01:27:06,760
it okay I'm telling you right now I will

1799
01:27:09,810 --> 01:27:08,260
be there all right I don't want money I

1800
01:27:12,540 --> 01:27:09,820
don't want to be paid I will be there

1801
01:27:13,050 --> 01:27:12,550
tell me where I something let's do this

1802
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:13,060
thing

1803
01:27:18,630 --> 01:27:15,970
okay and here's the deal this this is

1804
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:18,640
cool spiros because I tell you what

1805
01:27:24,420 --> 01:27:20,290
doesn't really matter if you have a

1806
01:27:26,970 --> 01:27:24,430
missing person as far as a witness that

1807
01:27:29,820 --> 01:27:26,980
happens all the time in the court of law

1808
01:27:32,940 --> 01:27:29,830
okay but if we had you if we had Philip

1809
01:27:39,810 --> 01:27:32,950
if we had chant and Frank and myself and

1810
01:27:42,420 --> 01:27:39,820
just a few others we could write if a

1811
01:27:44,010 --> 01:27:42,430
witness doesn't come to court okay the

1812
01:27:46,020 --> 01:27:44,020
judge calls for him because the key

1813
01:27:48,930 --> 01:27:46,030
witness this is the accused this is to

1814
01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:48,940
be accused okay it's not just a witness

1815
01:27:56,790 --> 01:27:52,690
all right this is a man who if we

1816
01:28:00,060 --> 01:27:56,800
believe him has got US government film

1817
01:28:02,370 --> 01:28:00,070
in his possession and he's claiming it's

1818
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:02,380
his why isn't the government upset about

1819
01:28:06,240 --> 01:28:02,890
this

1820
01:28:08,670 --> 01:28:06,250
what here's the deal if a witness

1821
01:28:13,440 --> 01:28:08,680
doesn't show up to a trial the judge

1822
01:28:16,740 --> 01:28:13,450
doesn't cancel the trial no yeah people

1823
01:28:18,690 --> 01:28:16,750
we tried in absentia all the time do you

1824
01:28:21,420 --> 01:28:18,700
know what happened to me once I was a

1825
01:28:23,700 --> 01:28:21,430
key witness in the case and I forgot

1826
01:28:25,950 --> 01:28:23,710
about the case and I was arrested and

1827
01:28:27,930 --> 01:28:25,960
taken in okay

1828
01:28:30,900 --> 01:28:27,940
I would only a witness and I was

1829
01:28:33,030 --> 01:28:30,910
arrested and taken in so I don't know

1830
01:28:34,590 --> 01:28:33,040
what what is like in America but if

1831
01:28:36,750 --> 01:28:34,600
you're a key witness and you you've been

1832
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:36,760
you've been summoned to appear and you

1833
01:28:41,450 --> 01:28:38,850
don't appear you're a contempt of court

1834
01:28:51,390 --> 01:28:41,460
how can you say it's not important I

1835
01:28:54,060 --> 01:28:51,400
didn't talked about why detector tests

1836
01:28:57,180 --> 01:28:54,070
before that eye contact to the

1837
01:29:01,140 --> 01:28:57,190
television company here I've got quite a

1838
01:29:04,850 --> 01:29:01,150
reputation and I suggested to them that

1839
01:29:08,640 --> 01:29:04,860
they get spiros and bring some chili on

1840
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:08,650
to both tell their story and both have a

1841
01:29:14,220 --> 01:29:10,690
lie-detector test and then you did the

1842
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:14,230
reveal at the end and Spiro sits great

1843
01:29:19,050 --> 01:29:15,850
some till they said great well then

1844
01:29:21,930 --> 01:29:19,060
appointing a caveat the caveat would be

1845
01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:21,940
that Santilli would give up a few frames

1846
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:25,210
of film to be analyzed independently and

1847
01:29:31,230 --> 01:29:28,690
the TV company could figure that out who

1848
01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:31,240
they wanted to analyze it on once the

1849
01:29:34,580 --> 01:29:32,370
lie detector test

1850
01:29:36,950 --> 01:29:34,590
have been revealed you then open the

1851
01:29:38,780 --> 01:29:36,960
golden and will open the winner is and

1852
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:38,790
it will tell you you know the results of

1853
01:29:44,420 --> 01:29:40,650
the analysis soon as I mentioned that

1854
01:29:46,340 --> 01:29:44,430
Santilli was no longer interested so and

1855
01:29:48,140 --> 01:29:46,350
there's a little plug for my little

1856
01:29:53,390 --> 01:29:48,150
publishing company in here so please

1857
01:29:57,680 --> 01:29:53,400
excuse me not so much about the alien

1858
01:29:59,570 --> 01:29:57,690
autopsy but coming in May do we have a

1859
01:30:01,280 --> 01:29:59,580
book that's been published and it is

1860
01:30:03,350 --> 01:30:01,290
relevant that's why I want to mention it

1861
01:30:06,170 --> 01:30:03,360
and it's written by a gentleman in the

1862
01:30:09,980 --> 01:30:06,180
United States called John Steiger and

1863
01:30:11,750 --> 01:30:09,990
it's three dramas for the stage now they

1864
01:30:15,170 --> 01:30:11,760
are fictional but they're all based on

1865
01:30:18,410 --> 01:30:15,180
real events and the first one is Roswell

1866
01:30:21,470 --> 01:30:18,420
so you win in our courtroom in Roswell

1867
01:30:23,990 --> 01:30:21,480
and you argue out the foreign against

1868
01:30:26,480 --> 01:30:24,000
and the way John's written it there

1869
01:30:31,160 --> 01:30:26,490
isn't a jury as such the jury that's of

1870
01:30:33,140 --> 01:30:31,170
the audience so it's a greater idea when

1871
01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:33,150
we've already got it but not not quite

1872
01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:34,770
the same so I just thought we'll mention

1873
01:30:42,500 --> 01:30:40,290
that it seemed rather out okay um thank

1874
01:30:44,090 --> 01:30:42,510
you very much for that input I wanted to

1875
01:30:48,200 --> 01:30:44,100
mention something that I know might be

1876
01:30:50,600 --> 01:30:48,210
obvious to some people but the email

1877
01:30:55,610 --> 01:30:50,610
addresses that are not real regarding

1878
01:30:58,450 --> 01:30:55,620
help it off and John Alexander having

1879
01:31:00,560 --> 01:30:58,460
been put in a an email address

1880
01:31:02,540 --> 01:31:00,570
fashioned as having worked at General

1881
01:31:07,220 --> 01:31:02,550
Motors in Singapore when they did not I

1882
01:31:11,140 --> 01:31:07,230
find that very strange that if if I'm

1883
01:31:13,850 --> 01:31:11,150
saying if how put off has stated

1884
01:31:17,210 --> 01:31:13,860
privately or publicly to people or

1885
01:31:19,760 --> 01:31:17,220
inferred or appeared as though this

1886
01:31:23,420 --> 01:31:19,770
Bigelow memo is authentic in some one

1887
01:31:26,360 --> 01:31:23,430
way or another and kick greenhouse to my

1888
01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:26,370
question to it them are and Eric Davis

1889
01:31:33,050 --> 01:31:29,610
as well why then are there two fake

1890
01:31:35,630 --> 01:31:33,060
email addresses in this series of emails

1891
01:31:38,150 --> 01:31:35,640
why then

1892
01:31:42,020 --> 01:31:38,160
is there something called brain reggae

1893
01:31:45,550 --> 01:31:42,030
mentioned by kick rein that he study

1894
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:45,560
examined which is an impossibility maybe

1895
01:31:51,190 --> 01:31:48,410
there's some alien species out there

1896
01:31:54,070 --> 01:31:51,200
that has brain blocking but I'm not

1897
01:32:00,730 --> 01:31:54,080
aware of it and then the other question

1898
01:32:04,060 --> 01:32:00,740
I have is wanted to know how is it

1899
01:32:06,790 --> 01:32:04,070
possible to do an autopsy on a fake

1900
01:32:08,920 --> 01:32:06,800
alien I know that's an obvious question

1901
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:08,930
but I've wanted to ask it green that

1902
01:32:13,750 --> 01:32:11,810
question a lot along with the other

1903
01:32:15,370 --> 01:32:13,760
question how and I know

1904
01:32:18,010 --> 01:32:15,380
espero so you already brought this up

1905
01:32:20,110 --> 01:32:18,020
but how in the world is it possible for

1906
01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:20,120
kick Carina have been a time traveler

1907
01:32:29,470 --> 01:32:25,970
and gone back the the for 1995 and seen

1908
01:32:31,440 --> 01:32:29,480
the alien autopsy film repeatedly well

1909
01:32:36,670 --> 01:32:31,450
then the alien autopsy film was made in

1910
01:32:38,860 --> 01:32:36,680
1995 this and many other questions I

1911
01:32:40,420 --> 01:32:38,870
have for him go ahead anybody yeah I

1912
01:32:44,860 --> 01:32:40,430
want to jump in here really quick I

1913
01:32:48,190 --> 01:32:44,870
think it's a very interesting phil's

1914
01:32:50,530 --> 01:32:48,200
provided regarding mr. Maloney and I

1915
01:32:55,150 --> 01:32:50,540
think it was especially interesting Phil

1916
01:32:57,760 --> 01:32:55,160
that he saw this at the screening with

1917
01:33:01,150 --> 01:32:57,770
Disney people who might well have been

1918
01:33:04,360 --> 01:33:01,160
capable of putting together the perhaps

1919
01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:04,370
a yeah an earlier fake alien autopsy and

1920
01:33:13,210 --> 01:33:07,010
green simply conflated the two and said

1921
01:33:16,420 --> 01:33:13,220
yeah let let's be clear this Bigelow

1922
01:33:18,220 --> 01:33:16,430
memo this alleged series of emails that

1923
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:18,230
occur between these people which are

1924
01:33:21,820 --> 01:33:20,090
already two email addresses it's it's an

1925
01:33:25,440 --> 01:33:21,830
impossibility that two of these people

1926
01:33:27,490 --> 01:33:25,450
actually receive this email and just

1927
01:33:30,070 --> 01:33:27,500
also wanted to mention John Alexander

1928
01:33:32,530 --> 01:33:30,080
refuted this alleged document saying

1929
01:33:35,410 --> 01:33:32,540
that it's not even possible I've never

1930
01:33:36,610 --> 01:33:35,420
seen this before and and that he didn't

1931
01:33:39,010 --> 01:33:36,620
believe that this was real and he

1932
01:33:41,980 --> 01:33:39,020
doesn't believe that the Wilson Davis

1933
01:33:44,710 --> 01:33:41,990
leaked as it is anecdotally known is

1934
01:33:47,170 --> 01:33:44,720
real either which actually kind of

1935
01:33:50,380 --> 01:33:47,180
mentions him it with his initials J a

1936
01:33:53,740 --> 01:33:50,390
that's who John Alec J a is alleged to

1937
01:33:56,350 --> 01:33:53,750
be in that Wilson Davis document I say

1938
01:33:58,570 --> 01:33:56,360
in quotes it was John Alexander he said

1939
01:33:59,360 --> 01:33:58,580
both of these docs are not real as they

1940
01:34:01,970 --> 01:33:59,370
stand

1941
01:34:04,910 --> 01:34:01,980
him and that he has nothing to do with

1942
01:34:07,790 --> 01:34:04,920
either one of them well I think we can

1943
01:34:09,880 --> 01:34:07,800
see the intent behind these documents

1944
01:34:12,500 --> 01:34:09,890
right from the very beginning jump

1945
01:34:14,330 --> 01:34:12,510
because they are right at the very

1946
01:34:15,940 --> 01:34:14,340
beginning of the top he says alien

1947
01:34:18,290 --> 01:34:15,950
autopsy proofs

1948
01:34:20,630 --> 01:34:18,300
okay I'm glad you brought that up I'm

1949
01:34:22,970 --> 01:34:20,640
just everything else that killed is

1950
01:34:25,820 --> 01:34:22,980
trying to support that statement you

1951
01:34:28,190 --> 01:34:25,830
know right and so what we have on one

1952
01:34:31,670 --> 01:34:28,200
side is you have some saying no the

1953
01:34:33,230 --> 01:34:31,680
wrong email addresses you know others on

1954
01:34:36,830 --> 01:34:33,240
the other side saying well I think it's

1955
01:34:39,140 --> 01:34:36,840
all right but I think a lot of them are

1956
01:34:41,120 --> 01:34:39,150
saying well you write some of the

1957
01:34:44,050 --> 01:34:41,130
discrepancies you've thrown up but in

1958
01:34:46,910 --> 01:34:44,060
general what's discussed in this

1959
01:34:50,360 --> 01:34:46,920
document really did take place these

1960
01:34:53,630 --> 01:34:50,370
discussions did take place okay would

1961
01:35:00,710 --> 01:34:53,640
somebody actually consciously type in

1962
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:00,720
fake email addresses just the muddy the

1963
01:35:06,590 --> 01:35:04,410
waters just that's another argument and

1964
01:35:09,130 --> 01:35:06,600
it's it's a good one yeah I did want to

1965
01:35:12,020 --> 01:35:09,140
point out one thing and that is on page

1966
01:35:14,270 --> 01:35:12,030
eight at the bottom of it when we were

1967
01:35:16,100 --> 01:35:14,280
talking and also beginning of page nine

1968
01:35:19,100 --> 01:35:16,110
at the top when we were talking about

1969
01:35:23,300 --> 01:35:19,110
the PR folks were absent illy and the

1970
01:35:26,330 --> 01:35:23,310
santa the film wanted to mention bike it

1971
01:35:28,040 --> 01:35:26,340
allegedly being set by KITT what's

1972
01:35:32,270 --> 01:35:28,050
important for us to understand here is

1973
01:35:35,510 --> 01:35:32,280
in this Bigelow memo there's all kinds

1974
01:35:37,940 --> 01:35:35,520
of data points that are brought up to

1975
01:35:40,220 --> 01:35:37,950
our attention to remind us that these

1976
01:35:43,790 --> 01:35:40,230
folks are only talking about the alien

1977
01:35:47,300 --> 01:35:43,800
autopsy film that Spiros made which

1978
01:35:49,490 --> 01:35:47,310
people mistakenly thought was made by

1979
01:35:51,680 --> 01:35:49,500
Ray Santilli now they're not talking

1980
01:35:52,790 --> 01:35:51,690
about any other kind of alien autopsy

1981
01:35:54,770 --> 01:35:52,800
film because they keep mentioning

1982
01:35:59,450 --> 01:35:54,780
Santilli yeah know that we're talking

1983
01:36:04,070 --> 01:35:59,460
about the same thing here what I was

1984
01:36:06,670 --> 01:36:04,080
going to say is I know another

1985
01:36:10,610 --> 01:36:06,680
researcher who was spoken to mr. green

1986
01:36:13,170 --> 01:36:10,620
dr. green as I should say emailed me and

1987
01:36:18,090 --> 01:36:13,180
said that fill it you know

1988
01:36:22,020 --> 01:36:18,100
mr. green is very intelligent very very

1989
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:22,030
intelligent now my response was so walk

1990
01:36:27,990 --> 01:36:26,410
you know so you know and I you know even

1991
01:36:30,180 --> 01:36:28,000
though I worked in industry I'll make

1992
01:36:32,670 --> 01:36:30,190
some extremely intelligent people but

1993
01:36:35,340 --> 01:36:32,680
there was you know as dumb as they come

1994
01:36:37,350 --> 01:36:35,350
they didn't realize what day was now on

1995
01:36:39,810 --> 01:36:37,360
anyone else but you did you know we

1996
01:36:43,020 --> 01:36:39,820
weren't I would shop I worked with a

1997
01:36:44,730 --> 01:36:43,030
colleague dr. John oh it was a he and

1998
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:44,740
industrial chemist you ask him anything

1999
01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:46,410
about chemistry they tell you everything

2000
01:36:53,000 --> 01:36:49,890
but what we have to remember

2001
01:36:56,580 --> 01:36:53,010
despite his qualifications

2002
01:36:59,070 --> 01:36:56,590
despite his experience all of these

2003
01:37:02,250 --> 01:36:59,080
individuals individuals and all of us

2004
01:37:03,930 --> 01:37:02,260
speaking on here tonight because we are

2005
01:37:07,170 --> 01:37:03,940
human we have art we all have our own

2006
01:37:10,430 --> 01:37:07,180
belief systems and no matter how

2007
01:37:15,470 --> 01:37:10,440
qualified you are in the field of

2008
01:37:18,600 --> 01:37:15,480
anatomy etc you know it can be

2009
01:37:22,190 --> 01:37:18,610
influenced by your belief systems it's

2010
01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:22,200
as simple as that now whether that is

2011
01:37:27,710 --> 01:37:24,370
taking part here with some of the

2012
01:37:30,300 --> 01:37:27,720
comments from kick rain we'll never know

2013
01:37:32,940 --> 01:37:30,310
he doesn't want to answer an awful lot

2014
01:37:34,020 --> 01:37:32,950
of questions about although I did get a

2015
01:37:36,690 --> 01:37:34,030
few outs of him

2016
01:37:39,390 --> 01:37:36,700
so just because someone is highly

2017
01:37:44,180 --> 01:37:39,400
intelligent doesn't mean that they they

2018
01:37:47,340 --> 01:37:44,190
can't be fooled as we have known back in

2019
01:37:51,410 --> 01:37:47,350
1995 mr. malarious he sent me on a wild

2020
01:37:55,980 --> 01:37:51,420
goose chase chasing down doctors

2021
01:37:58,170 --> 01:37:55,990
pathologists you know you name it most

2022
01:38:01,740 --> 01:37:58,180
of most of the many companions he we

2023
01:38:04,140 --> 01:38:01,750
spoke to Spiros not pretty good you know

2024
01:38:05,310 --> 01:38:04,150
you know the special effects artists

2025
01:38:07,380 --> 01:38:05,320
being what they are

2026
01:38:09,870 --> 01:38:07,390
ah sit yeah we can make anything I was

2027
01:38:10,440 --> 01:38:09,880
including that what is interesting as

2028
01:38:14,070 --> 01:38:10,450
well

2029
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:14,080
and again I didn't mention this to

2030
01:38:19,770 --> 01:38:18,010
Spiros and I'm because before I met him

2031
01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:19,780
I have a friend who worked in the

2032
01:38:25,650 --> 01:38:22,890
special effects industry all his life

2033
01:38:26,100 --> 01:38:25,660
it's final films were the Lord of the

2034
01:38:28,979 --> 01:38:26,110
Rings

2035
01:38:31,939 --> 01:38:28,989
oh gee and he was high up the ladder and

2036
01:38:35,070 --> 01:38:31,949
he took you laughter that sadler so when

2037
01:38:38,459 --> 01:38:35,080
he returned from when he was working in

2038
01:38:40,200 --> 01:38:38,469
New Zealand we talked about the alien

2039
01:38:42,720 --> 01:38:40,210
autopsy film and I said look if you're

2040
01:38:43,910 --> 01:38:42,730
my friend if you were doing this as a

2041
01:38:47,490 --> 01:38:43,920
friend for me

2042
01:38:49,620 --> 01:38:47,500
what kind of budget could you make this

2043
01:38:53,970 --> 01:38:49,630
thing for burning in mind this is before

2044
01:38:56,790 --> 01:38:53,980
Oh a new Spiros and he said you know

2045
01:39:01,620 --> 01:38:56,800
around the thirty thousand pound ish

2046
01:39:09,590 --> 01:39:01,630
mark now what was the budget were given

2047
01:39:15,030 --> 01:39:12,120
and this you know I haven't met Spiros

2048
01:39:17,250 --> 01:39:15,040
then and you know we were still running

2049
01:39:21,209 --> 01:39:17,260
around looking for him so even though

2050
01:39:23,129 --> 01:39:21,219
and then when I met Spiros and he told

2051
01:39:24,990 --> 01:39:23,139
me how him and John barely mind

2052
01:39:27,780 --> 01:39:25,000
Michael we actually have a Polaroid

2053
01:39:30,479 --> 01:39:27,790
photographic job with the with the

2054
01:39:38,070 --> 01:39:30,489
dummies with the molds I beg your pardon

2055
01:39:39,740 --> 01:39:38,080
and I said to my friend well this is how

2056
01:39:41,879 --> 01:39:39,750
they've said that made it you know

2057
01:39:44,370 --> 01:39:41,889
injected this stuff and done this and he

2058
01:39:46,020 --> 01:39:44,380
said yeah that's fine you know there's

2059
01:39:47,910 --> 01:39:46,030
no problem with that whatsoever but some

2060
01:39:49,560 --> 01:39:47,920
people were saying that yes John

2061
01:39:51,810 --> 01:39:49,570
Humphrys you know is a wonderful

2062
01:39:53,399 --> 01:39:51,820
sculptor but he's not a special-effects

2063
01:39:57,120 --> 01:39:53,409
artists he wouldn't know how to do this

2064
01:40:02,010 --> 01:39:57,130
but of course he did and so maybe a

2065
01:40:05,399 --> 01:40:02,020
little stake when people say oh I just

2066
01:40:07,770 --> 01:40:05,409
believe what Spiros told me well no

2067
01:40:10,500 --> 01:40:07,780
that's not correct because one of the

2068
01:40:15,120 --> 01:40:10,510
things that did split us will confirm

2069
01:40:18,320 --> 01:40:15,130
this I went to his home but his is his

2070
01:40:21,600 --> 01:40:18,330
partner at the time and Parris daughter

2071
01:40:25,590 --> 01:40:21,610
and he showed me boxes and boxes of

2072
01:40:29,629 --> 01:40:25,600
stuff including Spiros your diary yeah

2073
01:40:32,729 --> 01:40:29,639
yeah you remember he is he has a a

2074
01:40:35,879 --> 01:40:32,739
painted storyboard not little sketches

2075
01:40:37,979 --> 01:40:35,889
I'm talking full-size paintings I don't

2076
01:40:39,419 --> 01:40:37,989
know how many that is must be a dozen or

2077
01:40:40,950 --> 01:40:39,429
20 yeah

2078
01:40:47,209 --> 01:40:40,960
I have a photo to have been holding up

2079
01:40:50,280 --> 01:40:47,219
two of those but too many yeah and oh

2080
01:40:53,490 --> 01:40:50,290
all kinds of other boxes of files and

2081
01:40:55,919 --> 01:40:53,500
research original faxes from Kodak

2082
01:41:00,270 --> 01:40:55,929
telling him what edge codes to use on

2083
01:41:02,580 --> 01:41:00,280
the film a box full of pictures of Final

2084
01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:02,590
Four pictures I should say of military

2085
01:41:06,660 --> 01:41:05,290
vehicles US military vehicles because

2086
01:41:10,380 --> 01:41:06,670
they were gonna use them in another part

2087
01:41:12,030 --> 01:41:10,390
of the film so he could back up all of

2088
01:41:15,530 --> 01:41:12,040
what he's saying that's that's what I'm

2089
01:41:18,750 --> 01:41:15,540
trying to argue about here however why

2090
01:41:21,200 --> 01:41:18,760
you turn to the other side mean you say

2091
01:41:23,430 --> 01:41:21,210
to Ray Santilli okay sure would you film

2092
01:41:26,490 --> 01:41:23,440
was a bit of film claim look like it

2093
01:41:29,070 --> 01:41:26,500
shows it tell us who your camera money's

2094
01:41:30,780 --> 01:41:29,080
it was possibly nearly 90 when it when

2095
01:41:33,689 --> 01:41:30,790
all this happened surely he must be dead

2096
01:41:37,590 --> 01:41:33,699
now so you couldn't have helped

2097
01:41:40,890 --> 01:41:37,600
shouldn't hurt to reveal these names you

2098
01:41:43,020 --> 01:41:40,900
claimed to you went to his house and saw

2099
01:41:45,450 --> 01:41:43,030
his memories you know his army

2100
01:41:47,180 --> 01:41:45,460
memorabilia on him in uniform and all

2101
01:41:50,669 --> 01:41:47,190
this kind of stuff tell us who he was

2102
01:41:54,300 --> 01:41:50,679
you know no no that comes up he then

2103
01:41:57,800 --> 01:41:54,310
says he brought in the greatest team of

2104
01:42:00,419 --> 01:41:57,810
restorers you've ever seen what other

2105
01:42:01,950 --> 01:42:00,429
Julie's people must be still working in

2106
01:42:05,070 --> 01:42:01,960
the end assume maybe there's like a bit

2107
01:42:07,169 --> 01:42:05,080
of credit for the work but they did you

2108
01:42:10,709 --> 01:42:07,179
know if it wasn't Spiros then they had

2109
01:42:13,110 --> 01:42:10,719
to be somebody else who are they what

2110
01:42:14,850 --> 01:42:13,120
that means okay I'm gonna break in here

2111
01:42:17,370 --> 01:42:14,860
and I'm gonna ask Michael if he has

2112
01:42:19,439 --> 01:42:17,380
anything to say that way we get the

2113
01:42:21,450 --> 01:42:19,449
opportunity to hear any anything any

2114
01:42:25,380 --> 01:42:21,460
comments he wants to make me input

2115
01:42:27,209 --> 01:42:25,390
oh you know I just thought of an

2116
01:42:30,360 --> 01:42:27,219
interesting idea when we were talking

2117
01:42:32,100 --> 01:42:30,370
about it's that this mock trial that

2118
01:42:33,780 --> 01:42:32,110
would be a great idea I tell you what

2119
01:42:37,530 --> 01:42:33,790
you get a lot of views on this thing I'm

2120
01:42:41,640 --> 01:42:37,540
sure because I really want to say that

2121
01:42:43,860 --> 01:42:41,650
the content of this broadcast on UFO

2122
01:42:46,020 --> 01:42:43,870
network news Sunday is one of the best I

2123
01:42:47,850 --> 01:42:46,030
have ever heard on this subject and I

2124
01:42:49,950 --> 01:42:47,860
hope a lot of folks will jump on board

2125
01:42:53,160 --> 01:42:49,960
the archives and check out the detail

2126
01:42:55,919 --> 01:42:53,170
was that both Phillip mantel

2127
01:42:57,479 --> 01:42:55,929
spero smile Eris have actually brought

2128
01:43:01,560 --> 01:42:57,489
to the table here probably for the first

2129
01:43:03,810 --> 01:43:01,570
time I believe but one of the last

2130
01:43:06,479 --> 01:43:03,820
things I can see myself doing in a mock

2131
01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:06,489
trial situation would be the the final

2132
01:43:13,229 --> 01:43:10,330
question to ask the last witness before

2133
01:43:15,209 --> 01:43:13,239
resting and having the jury make their

2134
01:43:18,060 --> 01:43:15,219
decision and what I would do I would ask

2135
01:43:19,439 --> 01:43:18,070
Spiros spirits are gonna love this and

2136
01:43:22,709 --> 01:43:19,449
I'm sure you're gonna have a good answer

2137
01:43:24,990 --> 01:43:22,719
for it but my question to you on the

2138
01:43:28,459 --> 01:43:25,000
witness stand at the last of the day of

2139
01:43:32,669 --> 01:43:28,469
the trial would be did you ever maintain

2140
01:43:38,100 --> 01:43:32,679
that this alien autopsy film that you

2141
01:43:41,120 --> 01:43:38,110
created was authentic okay that's a good

2142
01:43:44,880 --> 01:43:41,130
question and the answer is yes I have

2143
01:43:47,790 --> 01:43:44,890
because I made I made a fake that was

2144
01:43:53,100 --> 01:43:47,800
supposed to be fooling the world okay

2145
01:43:54,840 --> 01:43:53,110
and later on the original deal I had was

2146
01:43:56,490 --> 01:43:54,850
Santilli just to just to make sure we

2147
01:43:58,260 --> 01:43:56,500
all understand each other okay the

2148
01:44:02,160 --> 01:43:58,270
original deal I had with Chantilly was

2149
01:44:05,430 --> 01:44:02,170
we would make a fake we would not sell

2150
01:44:07,830 --> 01:44:05,440
it to anyone we would give it free they

2151
01:44:10,020 --> 01:44:07,840
would investigate it and when they can't

2152
01:44:11,640 --> 01:44:10,030
decide what it is and they can't decide

2153
01:44:12,900 --> 01:44:11,650
whether it's a real alien or if it's a

2154
01:44:15,390 --> 01:44:12,910
fake or if it a human

2155
01:44:18,660 --> 01:44:15,400
they just can't tell you then we would

2156
01:44:21,419 --> 01:44:18,670
make a documentary for money and explain

2157
01:44:23,610 --> 01:44:21,429
how we did it Santilli sold it around

2158
01:44:26,640 --> 01:44:23,620
the world behind our backs he gave it to

2159
01:44:28,470 --> 01:44:26,650
channel 4 in the UK for free because

2160
01:44:30,750 --> 01:44:28,480
that's my tog territory and I would find

2161
01:44:33,750 --> 01:44:30,760
out about that but I didn't know he was

2162
01:44:36,450 --> 01:44:33,760
selling it around the world when I when

2163
01:44:38,580 --> 01:44:36,460
I showed my displeasure I didn't know

2164
01:44:40,140 --> 01:44:38,590
how much money he'd made I didn't he

2165
01:44:43,410 --> 01:44:40,150
kept telling me he hadn't made any money

2166
01:44:46,560 --> 01:44:43,420
so he said to me we haven't recouped yet

2167
01:44:48,930 --> 01:44:46,570
I want you to say this that and the

2168
01:44:51,450 --> 01:44:48,940
other on an interview so that we can

2169
01:44:56,220 --> 01:44:51,460
recoup now I didn't actually say it was

2170
01:44:59,040 --> 01:44:56,230
real what I said was I saw a film in

2171
01:45:03,390 --> 01:44:59,050
Santi Lee's office which I did which was

2172
01:45:06,180 --> 01:45:03,400
the tent footage and I said in that

2173
01:45:06,990 --> 01:45:06,190
interview I knew it wasn't real and I

2174
01:45:09,840 --> 01:45:07,000
told him

2175
01:45:12,360 --> 01:45:09,850
why it wasn't real that bit was removed

2176
01:45:15,360 --> 01:45:12,370
from that interview so there is a piece

2177
01:45:18,120 --> 01:45:15,370
of supposed evidence out there which

2178
01:45:21,120 --> 01:45:18,130
says that I said I saw real film but it

2179
01:45:24,240 --> 01:45:21,130
isn't what I actually said but be that

2180
01:45:27,030 --> 01:45:24,250
as it may you know you could believe

2181
01:45:29,250 --> 01:45:27,040
that if you like the testimony today

2182
01:45:31,230 --> 01:45:29,260
because I've now come clean I've said

2183
01:45:33,840 --> 01:45:31,240
this is a fake okay

2184
01:45:35,970 --> 01:45:33,850
I've proven to the Copyright Office in

2185
01:45:37,830 --> 01:45:35,980
the u.s. that it's definitely mine I

2186
01:45:41,280 --> 01:45:37,840
made it

2187
01:45:43,590 --> 01:45:41,290
now there is a film and here's a piece

2188
01:45:46,590 --> 01:45:43,600
of legal question for you

2189
01:45:51,390 --> 01:45:46,600
there is a film at the Library of

2190
01:45:54,540 --> 01:45:51,400
Congress in America dated 1947 owned by

2191
01:45:58,410 --> 01:45:54,550
San Tilly's company it is exactly the

2192
01:46:00,810 --> 01:45:58,420
same film that I hold in 1995 copyright

2193
01:46:04,380 --> 01:46:00,820
for now they gave me that copyright

2194
01:46:07,740 --> 01:46:04,390
after Santilli registered in 1947

2195
01:46:10,050 --> 01:46:07,750
exactly the same film okay they told me

2196
01:46:13,140 --> 01:46:10,060
that they they are not proactive they're

2197
01:46:14,310 --> 01:46:13,150
reactive I have to take him to court I

2198
01:46:17,070 --> 01:46:14,320
have to do a whole other stuff before

2199
01:46:18,900 --> 01:46:17,080
they remove it from from the archives

2200
01:46:22,670 --> 01:46:18,910
and and that's something that I'm

2201
01:46:27,030 --> 01:46:22,680
considering but my question to you is

2202
01:46:29,430 --> 01:46:27,040
what would happen if I am telling the

2203
01:46:32,460 --> 01:46:29,440
truth and I assure you I am but if I'm

2204
01:46:36,060 --> 01:46:32,470
telling the truth what will happen to

2205
01:46:39,300 --> 01:46:36,070
Santilli and his registration of a 1947

2206
01:46:45,080 --> 01:46:39,310
bogus film the next question I would ask

2207
01:46:48,150 --> 01:46:45,090
is what will happen to me if I'm lying

2208
01:46:50,730 --> 01:46:48,160
okay let's suppose the 1947 film was

2209
01:46:53,190 --> 01:46:50,740
real now I am now telling the government

2210
01:46:54,780 --> 01:46:53,200
and everyone in the world that my film

2211
01:46:56,850 --> 01:46:54,790
is real and it isn't the suppose it

2212
01:46:59,340 --> 01:46:56,860
isn't okay what would happen to me

2213
01:47:01,500 --> 01:46:59,350
because the point I'm making is I'm here

2214
01:47:05,360 --> 01:47:01,510
telling you it's not real and I'm

2215
01:47:08,790 --> 01:47:05,370
standing here and I'm available for

2216
01:47:11,930 --> 01:47:08,800
hiding for anyone Santilli isn't

2217
01:47:15,360 --> 01:47:11,940
speaking to anyone he won't turn up and

2218
01:47:16,980 --> 01:47:15,370
he won't defend his corner so the

2219
01:47:19,140 --> 01:47:16,990
question I ask you is and like that much

2220
01:47:20,860 --> 01:47:19,150
of a fool to stand in front of you and

2221
01:47:26,380 --> 01:47:20,870
say it's not real

2222
01:47:28,360 --> 01:47:26,390
if it were well my quince a quick answer

2223
01:47:31,930 --> 01:47:28,370
is that you're not a fool that's what it

2224
01:47:34,090 --> 01:47:31,940
that way exactly talking about so one

2225
01:47:37,990 --> 01:47:34,100
thing is I'm telling you my film is real

2226
01:47:41,290 --> 01:47:38,000
and it's registered as 1995 and it's

2227
01:47:46,120 --> 01:47:41,300
exactly the same frame by frame as the

2228
01:47:49,320 --> 01:47:46,130
one Santilli has registered as 1947 so

2229
01:47:53,590 --> 01:47:49,330
one of us isn't telling the truth okay

2230
01:47:55,180 --> 01:47:53,600
I'm here I'm here and I'm making my

2231
01:47:57,370 --> 01:47:55,190
statement I'm making it and now you know

2232
01:48:01,420 --> 01:47:57,380
what I speak to any court of law I speak

2233
01:48:02,710 --> 01:48:01,430
to any police officer anyone tell me

2234
01:48:05,530 --> 01:48:02,720
nothing that's a great idea of a

2235
01:48:09,280 --> 01:48:05,540
courtroom drama I can see you standing

2236
01:48:19,390 --> 01:48:09,290
in the dock now suppose the judge put on

2237
01:48:21,310 --> 01:48:19,400
his black cap on alright Michael I did

2238
01:48:23,020 --> 01:48:21,320
have a question for you and then we'll

2239
01:48:25,780 --> 01:48:23,030
wind down this wonderful talk that we

2240
01:48:29,380 --> 01:48:25,790
had today and the question I have for

2241
01:48:32,530 --> 01:48:29,390
you is what kind of time frame would we

2242
01:48:35,770 --> 01:48:32,540
look forward to regarding possibly

2243
01:48:37,810 --> 01:48:35,780
having this mock trial this year would

2244
01:48:41,790 --> 01:48:37,820
it be late in the year would it be

2245
01:48:46,630 --> 01:48:41,800
spring when oh you know what I

2246
01:48:48,250 --> 01:48:46,640
periodically end up being a judge at the

2247
01:48:51,100 --> 01:48:48,260
University of Washington mock trial

2248
01:48:53,350 --> 01:48:51,110
program or the law student he's put on

2249
01:48:55,300 --> 01:48:53,360
mock trials all the time these guys

2250
01:48:57,790 --> 01:48:55,310
literally only have is a part of their

2251
01:48:59,650 --> 01:48:57,800
own course study just a few weeks to

2252
01:49:01,570 --> 01:48:59,660
prepare for a mock trial so I'll be here

2253
01:49:04,960 --> 01:49:01,580
talking you could do something very very

2254
01:49:07,060 --> 01:49:04,970
quickly if if the parties were available

2255
01:49:08,740 --> 01:49:07,070
and by the way we could do this via

2256
01:49:11,470 --> 01:49:08,750
Skype you don't have to have everybody

2257
01:49:14,950 --> 01:49:11,480
in the same courtroom together which

2258
01:49:18,010 --> 01:49:14,960
they do periodically now in any trial

2259
01:49:21,190 --> 01:49:18,020
court but you know we have it all set up

2260
01:49:22,030 --> 01:49:21,200
where we have folks pretending to be a

2261
01:49:24,700 --> 01:49:22,040
juror jury

2262
01:49:26,470 --> 01:49:24,710
we have someone being a judge sitting up

2263
01:49:26,950 --> 01:49:26,480
on the podium it could be done very

2264
01:49:30,220 --> 01:49:26,960
quickly

2265
01:49:32,830 --> 01:49:30,230
Michael this is what this is worth too

2266
01:49:33,939 --> 01:49:32,840
much so may it make it to make it

2267
01:49:35,620 --> 01:49:33,949
nothing if

2268
01:49:39,310 --> 01:49:35,630
we're gonna do this if we're gonna do

2269
01:49:40,750 --> 01:49:39,320
this I don't want to be paid I will turn

2270
01:49:43,870 --> 01:49:40,760
up and do this okay

2271
01:49:44,709 --> 01:49:43,880
but as a televised event because I'm a

2272
01:49:46,629 --> 01:49:44,719
businessman

2273
01:49:48,100 --> 01:49:46,639
and I don't want the money I want to

2274
01:49:51,129 --> 01:49:48,110
keep telling you that okay as a

2275
01:49:54,459 --> 01:49:51,139
businessman this is a monumental piece

2276
01:49:56,410 --> 01:49:54,469
of TV and we should sell it and I would

2277
01:50:00,910 --> 01:49:56,420
like to give the proceeds to a homeless

2278
01:50:03,910 --> 01:50:00,920
charity okay if Chantilly if Santilli

2279
01:50:06,779 --> 01:50:03,920
does not participate then what does that

2280
01:50:15,699 --> 01:50:14,109
we'll find out a trial with no point

2281
01:50:18,250 --> 01:50:15,709
just doing it one sided we've done that

2282
01:50:20,379 --> 01:50:18,260
today right I would like to examine I

2283
01:50:22,239 --> 01:50:20,389
would like to cross-examine him oh no we

2284
01:50:25,390 --> 01:50:22,249
have not and it one-sided I think this

2285
01:50:27,100 --> 01:50:25,400
has been a very very uh you know good

2286
01:50:30,669 --> 01:50:27,110
give and take on both sides of the fence

2287
01:50:33,370 --> 01:50:30,679
here so this is worth gold for the

2288
01:50:35,770 --> 01:50:33,380
American public the worldwide listening

2289
01:50:43,140 --> 01:50:35,780
public on getting up to speed on the

2290
01:50:48,370 --> 01:50:46,689
Philip said earlier it's not it's a big

2291
01:50:50,910 --> 01:50:48,380
deal it's actually a big deal but he I

2292
01:50:54,279 --> 01:50:50,920
don't think he saw the enormity of it

2293
01:50:59,319 --> 01:50:54,289
forgive me Phil you said we have

2294
01:51:03,790 --> 01:50:59,329
Polaroids of John with the mold yes yes

2295
01:51:06,489 --> 01:51:03,800
that's my yeah that's right that's right

2296
01:51:09,129 --> 01:51:06,499
we do have that but what we have also is

2297
01:51:12,819 --> 01:51:09,139
we have polarized with John and the

2298
01:51:15,100 --> 01:51:12,829
creature that was sculpted yeah I

2299
01:51:16,120 --> 01:51:15,110
haven't seen them no no no you have you

2300
01:51:18,250 --> 01:51:16,130
have you just don't know what you're

2301
01:51:22,199 --> 01:51:18,260
looking at I'll show you later but it's

2302
01:51:25,989 --> 01:51:22,209
it's one one of the Polaroids is a clay

2303
01:51:30,540 --> 01:51:25,999
sculpted alien and the other one is

2304
01:51:33,009 --> 01:51:30,550
actually the mold right with Michael and

2305
01:51:34,989 --> 01:51:33,019
the bodies stuff but it's a sculpture

2306
01:51:37,209 --> 01:51:34,999
that you're seeing not the mold

2307
01:51:40,719 --> 01:51:37,219
it's a eyes it's actually the sculpture

2308
01:51:42,370 --> 01:51:40,729
so that's even better yeah well you

2309
01:51:44,859 --> 01:51:42,380
while you were talking I was also

2310
01:51:45,979 --> 01:51:44,869
running the alien autopsy film and I

2311
01:51:48,320 --> 01:51:45,989
reminded myself

2312
01:51:50,750 --> 01:51:48,330
of the the part where you talked about

2313
01:51:54,380 --> 01:51:50,760
Skype going up in the skull you know

2314
01:51:57,910 --> 01:51:54,390
what's the only skull there but you

2315
01:52:02,630 --> 01:51:57,920
don't see the skill bone being check now

2316
01:52:04,220 --> 01:52:02,640
no yeah but more telling more telling if

2317
01:52:08,090 --> 01:52:04,230
you look at the weight John is there

2318
01:52:10,459 --> 01:52:08,100
cutting the pressure on no because I'm

2319
01:52:12,050 --> 01:52:10,469
saying then John don't don't push down

2320
01:52:14,030 --> 01:52:12,060
because it's gonna move it's made of

2321
01:52:16,729 --> 01:52:14,040
nothing it's very lush it that's why

2322
01:52:19,970 --> 01:52:16,739
you've got your hands on their head yeah

2323
01:52:21,800 --> 01:52:19,980
but yes you look at the actual movements

2324
01:52:22,190 --> 01:52:21,810
its acting that's all it is it's just

2325
01:52:24,740 --> 01:52:22,200
acting

2326
01:52:26,630 --> 01:52:24,750
two things to two other things that we

2327
01:52:30,170 --> 01:52:26,640
should have picked up on when you look

2328
01:52:32,180 --> 01:52:30,180
at the autopsy sing this one is why oh

2329
01:52:36,140 --> 01:52:32,190
man behind the glass wearing a surgical

2330
01:52:38,150 --> 01:52:36,150
mask yeah because I want you to see his

2331
01:52:40,760 --> 01:52:38,160
face hey John he doesn't mean for any

2332
01:52:43,370 --> 01:52:40,770
medical reason and also when you look at

2333
01:52:45,200 --> 01:52:43,380
the body on the slab there's something

2334
01:52:49,250 --> 01:52:45,210
wrong there because cuz he's not flat

2335
01:52:52,970 --> 01:52:49,260
and it should be flat because when they

2336
01:52:55,520 --> 01:52:52,980
when somebody dies or your bodily fluids

2337
01:52:58,459 --> 01:52:55,530
sink to the lowest point gravity takes

2338
01:53:03,290 --> 01:52:58,469
over unconsciously we can't say it's an

2339
01:53:08,209 --> 01:53:03,300
alien no no it's not because when he

2340
01:53:16,510 --> 01:53:08,219
cuts it open the blood runs down it

2341
01:53:22,820 --> 01:53:16,520
that's the same way as happened no we

2342
01:53:24,830 --> 01:53:22,830
don't we don't know how aliens let me

2343
01:53:27,410 --> 01:53:24,840
finish but we do know how gravity

2344
01:53:29,810 --> 01:53:27,420
behaves that's it yeah and whether

2345
01:53:36,680 --> 01:53:29,820
you're an alien or a Manchester City

2346
01:53:43,670 --> 01:53:36,690
supporter only nothing else knows that

2347
01:53:45,590 --> 01:53:43,680
joke everybody wanted to point out that

2348
01:53:48,830 --> 01:53:45,600
Phillip mantle wrote a wonderful book on

2349
01:53:51,110 --> 01:53:48,840
the alien autopsy film and I believe you

2350
01:53:53,030 --> 01:53:51,120
updated your book also if I'm wrong

2351
01:53:54,890 --> 01:53:53,040
about that please correct me but I want

2352
01:53:57,290 --> 01:53:54,900
everybody to know the name of that book

2353
01:53:59,339 --> 01:53:57,300
and I'm also going to mention the link

2354
01:54:01,139 --> 01:53:59,349
that they can go to the link will

2355
01:54:03,779 --> 01:54:01,149
actually being the summary underneath

2356
01:54:05,369 --> 01:54:03,789
this podcast that we did so just so

2357
01:54:07,979 --> 01:54:05,379
everybody knows there's there's two

2358
01:54:12,449 --> 01:54:07,989
things happening simultaneously right

2359
01:54:15,839 --> 01:54:12,459
now during our podcast one is we are pre

2360
01:54:18,569 --> 01:54:15,849
recording this show for the show that

2361
01:54:20,580 --> 01:54:18,579
Frank and I do which is called you find

2362
01:54:23,219 --> 01:54:20,590
the UFO news network Sunday

2363
01:54:26,009 --> 01:54:23,229
that's a channel YouTube channel that

2364
01:54:29,549 --> 01:54:26,019
Frank has and I co-host with him on that

2365
01:54:31,919 --> 01:54:29,559
channel and then the other thing and

2366
01:54:34,109 --> 01:54:31,929
before I finished that statement wanted

2367
01:54:36,479 --> 01:54:34,119
to finish up by saying I put this

2368
01:54:37,919 --> 01:54:36,489
together I asked Michael Hall who's a

2369
01:54:41,849 --> 01:54:37,929
dear friend of mine

2370
01:54:45,089 --> 01:54:41,859
so his spiros Phil's a good friend and a

2371
01:54:47,459 --> 01:54:45,099
coarse Frank is when my closest friends

2372
01:54:50,989 --> 01:54:47,469
I asked all of these folks to get

2373
01:54:54,659 --> 01:54:50,999
together today to have this podcast and

2374
01:54:59,040 --> 01:54:54,669
Michael graciously accepted knowing that

2375
01:55:01,229 --> 01:54:59,050
he might have opposition into any points

2376
01:55:03,799 --> 01:55:01,239
he might bring up and the other thing

2377
01:55:06,959 --> 01:55:03,809
that's happening and to make this moment

2378
01:55:09,119 --> 01:55:06,969
simultaneous is that Michael Hall is

2379
01:55:11,759 --> 01:55:09,129
having his own talk show right now on

2380
01:55:13,649 --> 01:55:11,769
what we're doing so it's wonderful that

2381
01:55:16,409 --> 01:55:13,659
we're able to do this at the same time

2382
01:55:19,379 --> 01:55:16,419
together and so we'll be publishing this

2383
01:55:21,689 --> 01:55:19,389
podcast on Frank's YouTube channel

2384
01:55:24,449 --> 01:55:21,699
you found the UFO news network Sunday

2385
01:55:26,520 --> 01:55:24,459
and then I wanted to also mention if

2386
01:55:31,139 --> 01:55:26,530
anybody wants to grab that book that

2387
01:55:36,659 --> 01:55:31,149
Phil wrote it's at it's on Amazon so you

2388
01:55:40,439 --> 01:55:36,669
type in amazon.com /dp slash one seven

2389
01:55:43,679 --> 01:55:40,449
zero six four zero zero two seven six

2390
01:55:44,790 --> 01:55:43,689
I'll just repeat that it's amazon.com

2391
01:55:48,299 --> 01:55:44,800
/dp

2392
01:55:51,659 --> 01:55:48,309
slash one seven zero six four zero zero

2393
01:55:54,239 --> 01:55:51,669
two seven six and then Michael you have

2394
01:55:57,979 --> 01:55:54,249
to keep us updated on when you actually

2395
01:56:00,839 --> 01:55:57,989
propose to have the goal of having that

2396
01:56:03,270 --> 01:56:00,849
that idea come to full fruition which is

2397
01:56:06,029 --> 01:56:03,280
having an actual mock trial of what we

2398
01:56:07,709 --> 01:56:06,039
just talked about today and then also

2399
01:56:09,750 --> 01:56:07,719
wanted to mention there's a gentleman by

2400
01:56:11,729 --> 01:56:09,760
the name of James Conger who's been very

2401
01:56:12,390 --> 01:56:11,739
carefully listening and following on

2402
01:56:16,830 --> 01:56:12,400
this

2403
01:56:18,900 --> 01:56:16,840
program that so we've had he had a

2404
01:56:20,880 --> 01:56:18,910
question he had wanted ask it maybe you

2405
01:56:22,200 --> 01:56:20,890
all can very very briefly attend to it

2406
01:56:22,740 --> 01:56:22,210
if you don't mind keep it as brief as

2407
01:56:25,740 --> 01:56:22,750
possible

2408
01:56:28,620 --> 01:56:25,750
James question is this the question he

2409
01:56:30,450 --> 01:56:28,630
has for the panelists are one question

2410
01:56:33,000 --> 01:56:30,460
that I have wondered and maybe I could

2411
01:56:34,950 --> 01:56:33,010
get your input or from Michael's is how

2412
01:56:36,480 --> 01:56:34,960
most of the aliens would look humanoid

2413
01:56:39,360 --> 01:56:36,490
I've heard that most mainstream

2414
01:56:43,140 --> 01:56:39,370
scientists would say that they would not

2415
01:56:44,850 --> 01:56:43,150
look anything like us would we think

2416
01:56:47,280 --> 01:56:44,860
they are related to us so it sounds like

2417
01:56:48,960 --> 01:56:47,290
there's a lot of questions he actually

2418
01:56:52,230 --> 01:56:48,970
kind of has in that one question I'll

2419
01:56:56,880 --> 01:56:52,240
read it again how most of the aliens

2420
01:56:59,580 --> 01:56:56,890
would look humanoid ways to answer that

2421
01:57:01,980 --> 01:56:59,590
questions a lot of popular theories one

2422
01:57:04,440 --> 01:57:01,990
of which is really popular at the moment

2423
01:57:07,650 --> 01:57:04,450
is that they're not aliens they are us

2424
01:57:10,620 --> 01:57:07,660
from the future so therefore we look

2425
01:57:12,360 --> 01:57:10,630
slightly different you know we look like

2426
01:57:13,740 --> 01:57:12,370
the comfort of Lancashire or somewhere

2427
01:57:17,160 --> 01:57:13,750
like that but they look slightly

2428
01:57:20,160 --> 01:57:17,170
different because they are future humans

2429
01:57:20,940 --> 01:57:20,170
other reasons that we were seeded by

2430
01:57:23,100 --> 01:57:20,950
another species

2431
01:57:25,620 --> 01:57:23,110
so therefore Prometheus we look a bit

2432
01:57:27,720 --> 01:57:25,630
like them there's another theory enough

2433
01:57:32,730 --> 01:57:27,730
it I forget the actual correct

2434
01:57:36,020 --> 01:57:32,740
scientific name for it but it's a theory

2435
01:57:40,620 --> 01:57:36,030
that the the bipedal life-form you and I

2436
01:57:44,430 --> 01:57:40,630
is perhaps the the best type of life of

2437
01:57:49,110 --> 01:57:44,440
all life-form to adapt into the universe

2438
01:57:51,900 --> 01:57:49,120
so it won't get any better so if what if

2439
01:57:55,080 --> 01:57:51,910
intelligent life is to evolve on other

2440
01:57:58,200 --> 01:57:55,090
planets extra silver then they should

2441
01:58:00,600 --> 01:57:58,210
look something similar to us maybe not

2442
01:58:04,980 --> 01:58:00,610
exactly the same but the most important

2443
01:58:07,620 --> 01:58:04,990
thing and I asked professor Michio Kaku

2444
01:58:10,230 --> 01:58:07,630
about this they must have a disposable

2445
01:58:11,880 --> 01:58:10,240
thumb it's without no thumb you can't

2446
01:58:13,790 --> 01:58:11,890
manipulate your environments therefore

2447
01:58:16,970 --> 01:58:13,800
he can't build things and make things

2448
01:58:19,490 --> 01:58:16,980
but this should look something similar

2449
01:58:22,560 --> 01:58:19,500
to us so there's a number of

2450
01:58:24,960 --> 01:58:22,570
possibilities why if we are being

2451
01:58:26,010 --> 01:58:24,970
visited by aliens than they look you

2452
01:58:29,070 --> 01:58:26,020
know humanoid

2453
01:58:33,030 --> 01:58:29,080
but may I may I elaborate on that yeah

2454
01:58:35,160 --> 01:58:33,040
of course okay I made the I made the

2455
01:58:38,190 --> 01:58:35,170
creature as we all know I hope so like

2456
01:58:40,770 --> 01:58:38,200
that by now but there's also the big

2457
01:58:44,640 --> 01:58:40,780
question of why did I make a creature

2458
01:58:46,320 --> 01:58:44,650
that doesn't look anything like anything

2459
01:58:49,170 --> 01:58:46,330
that's been described in the in the

2460
01:58:51,870 --> 01:58:49,180
textbooks since forever okay I went

2461
01:58:55,979 --> 01:58:51,880
against everything that people said they

2462
01:58:59,610 --> 01:58:55,989
saw an alien looks like apart from two

2463
01:59:02,130 --> 01:58:59,620
black eyes and the big head and six

2464
01:59:06,090 --> 01:59:02,140
fingers yeah yeah but I had to keep some

2465
01:59:10,620 --> 01:59:06,100
kind of a little bit of familiarity

2466
01:59:12,780 --> 01:59:10,630
about it but the thing is I I added six

2467
01:59:18,000 --> 01:59:12,790
fingers and six toes which nobody said

2468
01:59:20,820 --> 01:59:18,010
ever before 1995 the the thing though

2469
01:59:21,770 --> 01:59:20,830
that I I had to do because Michael's

2470
01:59:26,910 --> 01:59:21,780
right I'm not an idiot

2471
01:59:29,100 --> 01:59:26,920
when when I'm expecting top pathologists

2472
01:59:31,890 --> 01:59:29,110
and doctors to take a piece of film

2473
01:59:33,540 --> 01:59:31,900
seriously if I made it a little green

2474
01:59:35,310 --> 01:59:33,550
man with little spindly fingers and

2475
01:59:37,890 --> 01:59:35,320
little pink they would look at it and

2476
01:59:40,950 --> 01:59:37,900
say give me a break I'm busy right I'm

2477
01:59:44,880 --> 01:59:40,960
doing serious stuff this is a joke so I

2478
01:59:47,310 --> 01:59:44,890
made the creature look almost human so

2479
01:59:49,229 --> 01:59:47,320
they can't be excited about wow what is

2480
01:59:53,070 --> 01:59:49,239
this is it a deformity is it an illness

2481
01:59:56,220 --> 01:59:53,080
is it what is it right and because they

2482
01:59:58,940 --> 01:59:56,230
would not even look at it if it was

2483
02:00:01,560 --> 01:59:58,950
sci-fi if it was the et you see in

2484
02:00:03,330 --> 02:00:01,570
Steven Spielberg's film people would

2485
02:00:05,190 --> 02:00:03,340
laugh they wouldn't say this is a

2486
02:00:07,680 --> 02:00:05,200
serious film the you write you write

2487
02:00:10,920 --> 02:00:07,690
this because one of the biggest critics

2488
02:00:13,680 --> 02:00:10,930
at the time back in 1995 was airline

2489
02:00:15,860 --> 02:00:13,690
pilot Ken Jeffery you came to the

2490
02:00:18,540 --> 02:00:15,870
filming on the screen you know made of v

2491
02:00:21,530 --> 02:00:18,550
stormed out they made unity of himself

2492
02:00:24,840 --> 02:00:21,540
come but anyway he was convinced that

2493
02:00:26,910 --> 02:00:24,850
the film was real but what you weren't

2494
02:00:29,160 --> 02:00:26,920
actually looking at was some deformed

2495
02:00:31,979 --> 02:00:29,170
poor human creature in other words it

2496
02:00:33,860 --> 02:00:31,989
was a snuff movie yeah but nonetheless

2497
02:00:39,030 --> 02:00:33,870
it was real

2498
02:00:39,759 --> 02:00:39,040
ie not a hoax yeah yeah so even your

2499
02:00:42,910 --> 02:00:39,769
biggest critic

2500
02:00:45,430 --> 02:00:42,920
was kind of convinced yeah but obviously

2501
02:00:47,350 --> 02:00:45,440
the question I'm asking is I'm making

2502
02:00:49,810 --> 02:00:47,360
the statement right I've created it for

2503
02:00:52,120 --> 02:00:49,820
that reason to be in the black eyes

2504
02:00:53,620 --> 02:00:52,130
did it make sense to me when I when I

2505
02:00:55,899 --> 02:00:53,630
looked at everybody saying I've had this

2506
02:00:57,609 --> 02:00:55,909
big black almond eyes it didn't make

2507
02:00:59,529 --> 02:00:57,619
sense to me because I work with lenses

2508
02:01:01,120 --> 02:00:59,539
and I know how lenses work and they

2509
02:01:02,979 --> 02:01:01,130
can't work okay

2510
02:01:05,620 --> 02:01:02,989
all right an alien that's not a good

2511
02:01:07,569 --> 02:01:05,630
enough answer okay because it's too so

2512
02:01:10,089 --> 02:01:07,579
wouldn't that make sense what did it

2513
02:01:12,970 --> 02:01:10,099
make sense so I designed it so we could

2514
02:01:15,310 --> 02:01:12,980
remove lenses revealing a traditional

2515
02:01:20,290 --> 02:01:15,320
eye lens with an iris that would work

2516
02:01:22,330 --> 02:01:20,300
okay so yes it's very humanoid I know by

2517
02:01:24,759 --> 02:01:22,340
the time that we started to cut it open

2518
02:01:27,189 --> 02:01:24,769
it's too late the experts are watching

2519
02:01:28,450 --> 02:01:27,199
they're already into the film they're

2520
02:01:31,270 --> 02:01:28,460
looking at it and they're trying to

2521
02:01:34,089 --> 02:01:31,280
analyze it and suddenly if you watch for

2522
02:01:35,770 --> 02:01:34,099
example Cyril Wecht he's watching it and

2523
02:01:37,870 --> 02:01:35,780
deciding what it is is it a woman

2524
02:01:39,850 --> 02:01:37,880
maternal syndrome is it somebody

2525
02:01:42,759 --> 02:01:39,860
polydactyly in a deformity is it

2526
02:01:46,660 --> 02:01:42,769
radiation what is it right he's looking

2527
02:01:48,910 --> 02:01:46,670
at it seriously cut open he doesn't want

2528
02:01:50,229 --> 02:01:48,920
to say I'm wasting my time here so what

2529
02:01:53,379 --> 02:01:50,239
he does is it well this is not the

2530
02:01:56,200 --> 02:01:53,389
interior of a human being you know so

2531
02:01:59,259 --> 02:01:56,210
he's now carrying on but he's telling us

2532
02:02:02,140 --> 02:01:59,269
this is not real I don't know what it is

2533
02:02:05,049 --> 02:02:02,150
what is it right and that's what it was

2534
02:02:06,669 --> 02:02:05,059
designed to do because if I want an

2535
02:02:08,080 --> 02:02:06,679
expert to look at anything I need to

2536
02:02:10,810 --> 02:02:08,090
give them something that's gonna be of

2537
02:02:12,970 --> 02:02:10,820
interest to them to look at if it's

2538
02:02:15,910 --> 02:02:12,980
gonna be a joke and make them a mockery

2539
02:02:17,770 --> 02:02:15,920
in their own profession oh yeah this is

2540
02:02:20,859 --> 02:02:17,780
the chump that looked at the little

2541
02:02:22,629 --> 02:02:20,869
green man and and you know this is they

2542
02:02:24,790 --> 02:02:22,639
don't want to be humiliated like that so

2543
02:02:27,850 --> 02:02:24,800
it had to look real it had to look like

2544
02:02:29,859 --> 02:02:27,860
it could be human yeah and I know no you

2545
02:02:32,890 --> 02:02:29,869
know I pointed out that for a long time

2546
02:02:35,919 --> 02:02:32,900
yeah so here in the UK we didn't use

2547
02:02:38,169 --> 02:02:35,929
metric measurements we hope we use the

2548
02:02:41,770 --> 02:02:38,179
the old imperial system of course we

2549
02:02:44,410 --> 02:02:41,780
used to a doping 12 so this alien had

2550
02:02:49,959 --> 02:02:44,420
got 12 fingers perfect you need to come

2551
02:02:52,089 --> 02:02:49,969
top of our class what we did you know

2552
02:02:53,290 --> 02:02:52,099
that's a simple fact of life in art I

2553
02:02:55,390 --> 02:02:53,300
was degenerate

2554
02:02:57,370 --> 02:02:55,400
at school here was taught valves

2555
02:02:59,320 --> 02:02:57,380
Imperial and metric because we were

2556
02:03:03,910 --> 02:02:59,330
Charlie measuring although we never have

2557
02:03:06,340 --> 02:03:03,920
done if we're honest you know and so and

2558
02:03:10,590 --> 02:03:06,350
you know Britain is the land of Doctor

2559
02:03:15,130 --> 02:03:10,600
Who so I think's Spiros was out there

2560
02:03:18,490 --> 02:03:15,140
you know but thinking along was in

2561
02:03:20,370 --> 02:03:18,500
perhaps inspired by by doctor or

2562
02:03:22,870 --> 02:03:20,380
consciously or even subconsciously

2563
02:03:30,760 --> 02:03:22,880
because a lot of the aliens in doctor

2564
02:03:34,270 --> 02:03:30,770
rooms yes what they look pretty human my

2565
02:03:35,140 --> 02:03:34,280
partner in crime is is the man who

2566
02:03:38,500 --> 02:03:35,150
worked on Doctor Who

2567
02:03:41,830 --> 02:03:38,510
well there you go okay John John made

2568
02:03:43,690 --> 02:03:41,840
creatures for Doctor Who my friend my

2569
02:03:45,760 --> 02:03:43,700
special-effects friend II worked on

2570
02:03:49,150 --> 02:03:45,770
Doctor Who as well whenever so Billy's

2571
02:03:49,990 --> 02:03:49,160
apprenticeship yeah so there you go okay

2572
02:03:53,050 --> 02:03:50,000
so there we go

2573
02:03:55,480 --> 02:03:53,060
and I don't think it's fair to leave

2574
02:03:56,500 --> 02:03:55,490
hall out of this Michael Hall out of

2575
02:03:57,940 --> 02:03:56,510
this conversation

2576
02:04:01,150 --> 02:03:57,950
so I'm gonna go ahead and read that

2577
02:04:03,280 --> 02:04:01,160
question to him again so that way he

2578
02:04:06,400 --> 02:04:03,290
gets the opportunity to answer it with

2579
02:04:08,590 --> 02:04:06,410
as much brevity as possible so I'll go

2580
02:04:11,230 --> 02:04:08,600
ahead and read it from James concur

2581
02:04:12,910 --> 02:04:11,240
again and that is one question that I

2582
02:04:15,550 --> 02:04:12,920
have wondered maybe I could get your

2583
02:04:17,890 --> 02:04:15,560
input or from Michael is how most of the

2584
02:04:19,150 --> 02:04:17,900
aliens would look humanoid and then he

2585
02:04:20,800 --> 02:04:19,160
goes on to say I've heard that most

2586
02:04:22,240 --> 02:04:20,810
mainstream scientists would say that

2587
02:04:25,420 --> 02:04:22,250
they would not look anything like us

2588
02:04:27,310 --> 02:04:25,430
okay so what's your input you know your

2589
02:04:29,710 --> 02:04:27,320
personal perspective on that topic

2590
02:04:32,020 --> 02:04:29,720
Michael yeah

2591
02:04:35,020 --> 02:04:32,030
matter of fact James is a great question

2592
02:04:37,150 --> 02:04:35,030
but in reality I would not say that most

2593
02:04:38,680 --> 02:04:37,160
mainstream scientists say that they

2594
02:04:41,860 --> 02:04:38,690
wouldn't look anything like us that

2595
02:04:44,020 --> 02:04:41,870
that's not true but I think you know

2596
02:04:46,500 --> 02:04:44,030
basically Philip covered the wide range

2597
02:04:49,390 --> 02:04:46,510
of possibilities of why they might be

2598
02:04:51,580 --> 02:04:49,400
humanoid and character obviously they

2599
02:04:53,640 --> 02:04:51,590
don't look exactly like us but then

2600
02:04:59,290 --> 02:04:53,650
again you're talking people that are

2601
02:05:01,420 --> 02:04:59,300
claiming to have met tall whites you

2602
02:05:05,920 --> 02:05:01,430
know the the people that look just like

2603
02:05:06,859 --> 02:05:05,930
us from from Norway or Denmark

2604
02:05:09,080 --> 02:05:06,869
so and

2605
02:05:11,299 --> 02:05:09,090
and they cannot actually pass amongst us

2606
02:05:12,859 --> 02:05:11,309
as well so who knows it's a very good

2607
02:05:15,889 --> 02:05:12,869
question that we need to keep

2608
02:05:16,939 --> 02:05:15,899
discernment about keep keep our eyes and

2609
02:05:19,719 --> 02:05:16,949
ears open for sure

2610
02:05:22,819 --> 02:05:19,729
great question thing we know about

2611
02:05:27,169 --> 02:05:22,829
biology's is restricted to our own

2612
02:05:29,359 --> 02:05:27,179
planet you know you know the humanoid

2613
02:05:32,290 --> 02:05:29,369
life-form has become the dominant force

2614
02:05:35,659 --> 02:05:32,300
on this planet for the time being anyway

2615
02:05:38,419 --> 02:05:35,669
every saw at least on land you know well

2616
02:05:41,479 --> 02:05:38,429
you know but with a we are the top of

2617
02:05:43,459 --> 02:05:41,489
the food chain either way so it's not

2618
02:05:45,439 --> 02:05:43,469
unreasonable to suspect if there was

2619
02:05:47,089 --> 02:05:45,449
another planet it was you know similar

2620
02:05:50,119 --> 02:05:47,099
to ours though they might have something

2621
02:05:53,270 --> 02:05:50,129
that look pretty much like us but the

2622
02:05:55,399 --> 02:05:53,280
only way to find out of course there's

2623
02:05:59,000 --> 02:05:55,409
one go-gurt is wonder he go there so

2624
02:06:00,799 --> 02:05:59,010
yeah good question it is a good question

2625
02:06:02,389 --> 02:06:00,809
I just want to mention some science

2626
02:06:04,639 --> 02:06:02,399
fiction doubt all of us have probably

2627
02:06:05,899 --> 02:06:04,649
come across I know I read it avidly when

2628
02:06:08,060 --> 02:06:05,909
I was growing up I know that Michael

2629
02:06:10,939 --> 02:06:08,070
Hall did and that was the fiction

2630
02:06:14,479 --> 02:06:10,949
science fiction of Isaac Asimov and Ray

2631
02:06:16,639 --> 02:06:14,489
Bradbury in a one of many Ray Bradbury

2632
02:06:19,699 --> 02:06:16,649
stories where he brought about the et

2633
02:06:22,219 --> 02:06:19,709
civilization topic there was a story he

2634
02:06:24,979 --> 02:06:22,229
did where I believe extraterrestrials

2635
02:06:27,799 --> 02:06:24,989
were floating along in spheres luminous

2636
02:06:31,609 --> 02:06:27,809
fierce so it's just important to note

2637
02:06:35,089 --> 02:06:31,619
that aliens might not actually be in the

2638
02:06:37,040 --> 02:06:35,099
kind of form that we understand the

2639
02:06:39,049 --> 02:06:37,050
stereotypical fashion they could be in

2640
02:06:40,580 --> 02:06:39,059
so on that note I just would like to

2641
02:06:43,189 --> 02:06:40,590
thank everybody for having been on our

2642
02:06:45,199 --> 02:06:43,199
show and Michael I look forward to

2643
02:06:48,319 --> 02:06:45,209
actually watching this show on your show

2644
02:06:51,770 --> 02:06:48,329
and I look forward to us on our show on

2645
02:06:53,929 --> 02:06:51,780
our show when this is all done and I

2646
02:06:57,290 --> 02:06:53,939
thank Aspira small RC owner creator and

2647
02:06:58,850 --> 02:06:57,300
director of the alien autopsy film and I

2648
02:07:01,879 --> 02:06:58,860
just want to mention that it's going to

2649
02:07:03,859 --> 02:07:01,889
have its 25 year anniversary this year

2650
02:07:05,569 --> 02:07:03,869
and this bureau's we are going to wrap

2651
02:07:06,709 --> 02:07:05,579
up this show right now but can you just

2652
02:07:09,379 --> 02:07:06,719
mention a little bit information

2653
02:07:11,719 --> 02:07:09,389
regarding that 25 year anniversary so

2654
02:07:19,529 --> 02:07:11,729
folks know more about it where's your

2655
02:07:24,240 --> 02:07:19,539
book yes I'm in the process

2656
02:07:25,680 --> 02:07:24,250
oh wait we're getting there we're

2657
02:07:27,180 --> 02:07:25,690
getting there it's been a long time but

2658
02:07:29,580 --> 02:07:27,190
you know what I'm glad I'm glad it's

2659
02:07:32,509 --> 02:07:29,590
taking this long because so much has

2660
02:07:37,080 --> 02:07:32,519
come up that that needs to be in there

2661
02:07:39,330 --> 02:07:37,090
and it will be the the thing is I've

2662
02:07:44,129 --> 02:07:39,340
learned I've learnt my lesson and that

2663
02:07:48,479 --> 02:07:44,139
is you can never argue politics or

2664
02:07:50,729 --> 02:07:48,489
religion or UFOs with a human being

2665
02:07:54,450 --> 02:07:50,739
because they have they have an opinion

2666
02:07:56,430 --> 02:07:54,460
and that's it right now this is the

2667
02:07:58,589 --> 02:07:56,440
lesson I've learned okay so so what

2668
02:08:01,080 --> 02:07:58,599
we're doing today is we're talking from

2669
02:08:05,220 --> 02:08:01,090
my perspective we're talking facts okay

2670
02:08:06,899 --> 02:08:05,230
not pretend not belief systems not now

2671
02:08:08,279 --> 02:08:06,909
other people will walk away and go whoa

2672
02:08:10,080 --> 02:08:08,289
I don't believe in my I think he's real

2673
02:08:12,419 --> 02:08:10,090
well you know what I can't argue with

2674
02:08:16,290 --> 02:08:12,429
that person all I can do is deliver some

2675
02:08:18,899 --> 02:08:16,300
evidence okay if that evidence isn't

2676
02:08:20,520 --> 02:08:18,909
enough because you know telling them

2677
02:08:22,680 --> 02:08:20,530
their baby's ugly it's never gonna work

2678
02:08:24,750 --> 02:08:22,690
telling them there is no God that's not

2679
02:08:27,120 --> 02:08:24,760
going to work they believe what they

2680
02:08:29,640 --> 02:08:27,130
want to believe all I can do is just

2681
02:08:32,520 --> 02:08:29,650
deliver the facts okay so so that's what

2682
02:08:37,200 --> 02:08:32,530
I'm gonna do in my book I'm gonna do a

2683
02:08:39,899 --> 02:08:37,210
series of talks starting from July which

2684
02:08:41,609 --> 02:08:39,909
will be on the anniversary and if

2685
02:08:44,160 --> 02:08:41,619
anybody wants me to do a talk anywhere

2686
02:08:47,430 --> 02:08:44,170
where they are invite me not come my

2687
02:08:49,350 --> 02:08:47,440
okay great so he's just doing this I've

2688
02:08:53,879 --> 02:08:49,360
been waiting 25 years for this book he's

2689
02:08:55,259 --> 02:08:53,889
just doing it together okay well thank

2690
02:08:57,060 --> 02:08:55,269
you very much for having been on our

2691
02:08:58,919 --> 02:08:57,070
show today we're very grateful to have

2692
02:09:03,089 --> 02:08:58,929
had all of you and I also want to

2693
02:09:05,129 --> 02:09:03,099
mention something important I know I

2694
02:09:08,009 --> 02:09:05,139
said this before but Michael hall and

2695
02:09:10,410 --> 02:09:08,019
spirits melora's our dear dear good

2696
02:09:12,479 --> 02:09:10,420
friends of mine and I'm just so thrilled

2697
02:09:14,520 --> 02:09:12,489
to see and and also Philip mantel I

2698
02:09:16,680 --> 02:09:14,530
count on him as a good friend unto I

2699
02:09:19,080 --> 02:09:16,690
think it's important for everybody to

2700
02:09:21,660 --> 02:09:19,090
note that although we might be on

2701
02:09:23,850 --> 02:09:21,670
different sides of the various topics we

2702
02:09:26,299 --> 02:09:23,860
brought up we were able to bring them up

2703
02:09:31,350 --> 02:09:26,309
in a civil manner without you know

2704
02:09:32,880 --> 02:09:31,360
acting in a disruptive or nefarious or

2705
02:09:34,830 --> 02:09:32,890
mean or

2706
02:09:38,550 --> 02:09:34,840
animal-type manner towards each other so

2707
02:09:41,190 --> 02:09:38,560
just grateful everybody was so polite

2708
02:09:42,360 --> 02:09:41,200
and professional and really looked

2709
02:09:43,890 --> 02:09:42,370
forward to listening this show when it's

2710
02:09:45,750 --> 02:09:43,900
done and I think you Frank so much for

2711
02:09:49,410 --> 02:09:45,760
having had this show today yep it was

2712
02:09:51,780 --> 02:09:49,420
great fellow Spiro sand Michael thanks

2713
02:09:54,120 --> 02:09:51,790
so much for joining us and we're about

2714
02:09:56,490 --> 02:09:54,130
out of time so thanks again everybody

2715
02:09:58,860 --> 02:09:56,500
and we expect to be back tomorrow night

2716
02:10:00,660 --> 02:09:58,870
with a special interview as well so